The Sound of Gold with guest Joe Taylor

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1:05 Hi, welcome to the Sound of Gold. If you've been here, welcome back. If you're new, welcome. I'm here in my home studio and I'm sitting here with my cat, Cali. I know you can't see her, but she's right here next to me. And right now we are broadcasting live. It is a Monday afternoon. It is the end of the day, So welcome because today I have a very special guest. If you've been here before, you know, and if you're new. My show focuses on music, and as I mentioned, I'm here in my home studio and I compose on the moment and I pick up energy from you.

2:34 And of course I'm in my home studio, so I'm relaxed, and I hope you are too. And I love what I do and I love having this opportunity to do this show, because this show is not about me. This show is about shining the light on all the talent that is in our communities. And we have so much talent. It's thundering here and lightning, so if you can hear that, sorry about that, But some other nature working at it's best today here in Florida. So anyway, music is always all around us. No matter where we go, what we do, there's music, whether it be food chopping or at a restaurant. And the greatest music that we get to hear is when it's live, whether we go to a concert, or we go to a live show, or we're at a restaurant and there's live performances. It is so great to be surrounded by talent. And I'm here to shine the light on so much talent out there that continues to show up for you. However they don't get the spotlight that they deserve. And today I'm especially excited because my guest is tuning in from Las Vegas and I have sitting backstage, mister Joe Taylor. Joe, come on out and join me.

3:52 I can't stand to hear anything. No volume, oh, no volume really oh that's interesting. Something about that, and you do hear anything you're saying, Lisa. Okay, all right, so technical difficulties, no problem. While we're fixing that, and I thank you to my backstage engineer, I still get to play. I don't have anything memorized or a planned, so it gets a play in. The moment, just for you. There's Joe. Can you hear me? Joe?

5:02 Still no audio on your end. This is becoming my comedy show. Okay, we're still working on the sound. I knew you heard me a few minutes ago. Joe. Well, Joe is tuning in from Las Vegas. And while we're working on the sound, I still get to play for you. And Joe is a talented singer, songwriter, producer, and he is also the lead singer for Sixties Mania, and we will get to hear his story and how and where he plays.

5:46 Joe. Can you hear me? I guess not. Joe, can you hear me? Nope? This is a comedy show.

6:41 Sorry, at least let me answer up real quick. Yes, can you hear me? Hello? You can't hear anything? Green you just heard us all ago? Yes, this is strange. My audience tuning in Please be patient with us technic technology difficulties. And it's storming outside here, so it might might be in the ethers Internet ethers. Because Joe is tuning in from Las Vegas. We are on opposite sides of the continent, which is so cool. Joey, can you hear me now? Not yet, We're working on it. Jill, can you hear me? This is funny? Not still, we

8:21 are still working on sound. If you're just tuning in, you have Joe backstage.

9:49 My engineer is working with fixing this sound. You still can't hear me. You're a joke or something that I can call him, I can't. He can't hear me either, Yes, okay, put it in the private chat, so we're not giving up everything. I tried to put the information in the private chat and he did. 's okay, it might not be open. So my audience out there please stand by. Ladies and gentlemen, please excuse our technical difficulty. Yes, happens the best of us. Right. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna mute you guys. So y'all can have a personal conversation without all of this, and said, so, go ahead and have a conversation with Joe and I will remind everybody that you're listening to the Sound of Gold right here on K four HD Radio.

10:44 Please pardon our technical difficulties. Joe Taylor is a guest today and momentarily we will have everything going while we wait, we put on some backgrounds. Okay, so let's see where we're at now, Joe, do you hear us?

11:57 I don't think he does. Oh no, so cannot hear us? Yeah? So Joe? Yes, no, no, I say no. Okay, So if we can motion to him to back out and come back in, possibly I can. I can message him. Okay, let's see. It's funny wack. Out and what's he showing up? Orlando?

12:37 Oh? Yes, and then back in. That is so cute. He's going to Orlando. Muglaes. Gentlemen, we did hear him when we started the show. Yes, no, you didn't do anything. I know technology, you know, it was just weird.

13:25 I can hear you now. Welcome. Awesome, we did it. We did it thanks to technology, thanks to Rebel to Go. Yes, well, it's so good to have you here on the show. Thank you for your. Patience, my pleasure. Yeah you bet, you bet. No, we've been friends for a few years. I love seeing the posts that that's the greatest thing about Facebook is we get to connect to so many people. And I mean, I've seen some of the stuff that you post, say, I've listened to some of your music, and you are just so talented. Oh, thank you, Lisa, You're just You're too kind.

14:07 Thank you. You're welcome. And I want to share with my audience all the things that you do. But before we share that all your performing and all your talents, take us back to kind of the beginning of Joe and when Joe is introduced to music, Because you and I as musicians, we didn't just wake up and here we are. You know, it's kind of like it was a process and it was work in a fun way. But share with us well. The beginning. For me, I would say, it would have to go back to grade six. I was in my first ever play performance and I was actually in Joseph and the Technicolor Dream Code. But I actually got to be Joseph. It was so much fun. I did that, So I was a celebrity when I was in grade six for a couple of weeks. Nice, But that's pretty well how it, I'd say that's kind of how it started.

15:02 And then uh, from there, when I was in grade nine, I ended up starting to play guitar and learned a few guitar chords. Okay, so the first song I ever learned to play was a song called rock and roll Music. But it wasn't the Chuck Berry version. It was the Beatles version. Three chords, A D and excuse me, And that is how it started. And it was it was just kind of like the get the fingers down. Okay, I got that A. Now let's do the D and now, okay, we're gonna go to the E. The E was always the easiest, the E and the E minor, right, So but I would say that, yeah, so I started to sing Beatles songs. I was a huge John Denver fan.

15:51 I still am when I was a kid. I would sing that as well, and that. Got me started. So but I would say that is my earliest those are my earliest moments. And when was it that you first began like putting yourself out there, because it's you know, it's there's a lot of vulnerability that that goes behind that. People don't realize that for a lot of us, they think, oh, it's just so easy for them. Yeah. No, we we we all had to work through that fear absolutely. Okay. Well, the first gig I ever did. Have you ever been to like a Chinese karaoke bar? No, but I've seen it on television. Okay, it's it's a it's a little it's a bit tacky. But let's just say that. It was a place called China Landing, okay. And it was this small place and the stage was like as big as this chair is behind me. Basically it was like four of us. We couldn't fit on the stage. And it was in a Chinese restaurant and it was called China Landing, and we were called the first band I was in was called the James Band, Okay until they until we got a letter saying you have to change your name and uh.

16:59 But when we did this three hour gig, and it was we had spent a couple of months learning all these songs and it was the worst. You know. Our fifty or one hundred friends all came out as as is such the first time we ever doing this, we were like maybe like sixteen and sixteen seventeen, and it was it was a lot of fun, but it was nightmare. It was a it was a sonic disaster, but everybody had a good time. Like nobody knew any better. And so it was. It was in the U. I grew up in. Toronto, Canada, yes, and it was in the western suburbs in a place called Mississauga. And this place, China Landing was like in some industrial place you know, you have those you know.

17:46 It was in the middle of nowhere. Okay, but that was the first time that I ever I guess you could see, really put myself out there. Yeah, and it was a disaster, but it was fun. I mean, looking back now. It was fun. Did you I mean you started when you were in middle school? Did you take lessons or did you play by year? Well, I. Had a religious teacher, which I went to a Catholic school. I kind of grew up Catholic. I'm not very religious myself. And he was the religion teacher. His name was mister Anderson, and he was I think he may have I think he was probably a little I think he was a hippie. Actually he was, but he was a nice guy. But he was out there.

18:28 And he's the guy that taught me my first chords. He got me started, and then from there eventually I did take some piano lessons over the years, and I eventually studied vocal jazz at a place called Homer College in Toronto, whis kind of like Berkeley of Canada, and so I learned to do all sorts of things there, but that was pretty well my formal training. Mister Anderson give him a shout out, I. Will I am mister Edison's the band. Yeah. So when so the friends that you met in school who were working with you as far as playing, and did you guys evolve together or did you kind of was it just like like did you meet people along the way to where you are now? Yeah?

19:15 I mean clearly, you know, yeah, I met people along the way. I mean those people I probably kind of kept up with them until probably about two thousand and then two thousand and one I made the move to New York and that's when that's when things started to That's when the doors started to open up. That was the big move. Now, tell us a little bit about that experience going to New York and why. I mean usually the story is, you know, actually a friend of mine posted the other day I had thirty five dollars in my pocket, and I went to New York and stayed in you know, in a commune place and just tried acting. I love it. That's a great story. It's a great story. I'd love to hear about that sometime.

19:58 One of my friends. Yeah, but how did it happen for me? There was there was actually a friend of mine, a mutual friend of mine who I went to college with. I was down in New York. His name was Scott, and he was doing some shows down there and he couldn't make a few shows, so he got in touch with one of his friends named Danny, who was doing work down there, and he actually had a gig at the at the Bitter End, very famous place on Bleaker Street in New York, and he needed it and they needed a bass player and somebody who could sing backups. And that's that's pretty well how it happened that. You know, I got a call on Thursday, can you come down Friday, I left, and then Saturday night I.

20:40 Was in New York playing, uh, doing my. First gig in New York. It's pretty yeah, but no, that's pretty well how it started. It was. It was an insane let's just say it was a crazy drive. Because I at the time, I had my I had my parents start at the time, and I was I drove to Buffalo and then I took the train down and there's a sky rise in Buffalo. Let's just say. I kind of rolled in there like late at night, around midnight, and I drove the wrong way of the sky one of those sky rise you know, big ramps. So I kind of had to drive backwards to get down one of those when incoming traffic was coming. It was quite an experience. Actually, I got over to the train station. Eventually. It was an all nighter. It was wild, you know, it was quite it was quite a quite a journey. My friend picked me up. My friends got picked me up at Penn Station like that morning or the next day or whatever. Sometime in the afternoon. Actually, and this is so funny. He was like, have you ever really driven in New York? And I was like, it's been a few years. So we were at a place called have you ever been to Hula Hans? Yes, okay, so in Penn Station. So he's like, let's grab a couple of shots of you know, we'll get a couple of shots of Rye. It'll you'll handle the drive better, and I'm like, okay. And so we had lunch and had a couple of shots of Rye and and you know he was right, because if I hadn't had the shots of Rye, the car ride would have been a little insane.

22:08 So but I know it was. It was. It was quite a fun experience. And then eventually I moved down there started to do more gigs, and so I was a bass player. So I really started out as a bass player. Now, and how many years were you in New York or months? I was in New York for probably about maybe twenty years. Wow, that's a considerable amount of time. Yeah, I used to do the commute. I would be in I'd be in New York in the on the on the weekends, and then I'd be in LA and the weekdays. And I did that back and forth for quite a long time. I I mean had heck, I racked up some major air miles. So but that was kind of fun.

22:51 That takes this toll. Now are you doing? I want to I want to share with the audience and I want to learn too about your beat and how you got into. That my sixties media. Yes, yes, you're sorry. You're surciting. That's okay. But when we do a thing called sixties Mania, and then we do and then we also do a Beatles tribute and it's the same guys. Virtually we do a thing called for Forever fab so we are forever fabulous. Apparently nowhere where are you playing these days? Because we have an audience that's watching I's roll right now, but we also have an audience that's listening. We'll go to the website sixtiesmania dot com and it will tell you we play all over the country.

23:35 We're all over the place, like. We could be here, we could be there, we could be in Malaysia, we could be in China, we could be It just depends on where we're touring at that time. So sixtiesmania dot com and most likely we will be in a city or a place near if not this year, next year. Okay, So you've been doing this a long time, so I'm going to yes, And they say it's not good to guess, but I'm going to guess. This is this is what you do for income. Yes, okay, this is how I make my mula. So there's a lot of I have a lot of friends that are musicians that are local. I'm a musician, my husband's a musician, but we also have jobs. So for those of you out there, like, don't go quit your job, and and like we all have this dream to be big and to be out there and performing. However, I think, and it seems common sense to me, you started young, and you've grown the momentum into doing this, and until that momentum is built up, it's you know, it's not something you want to just like bail your job from or your regular nine to five jobs or well.

24:46 Here here's the thing. You know, you do what you have to do to survive, of course, but you have to really, really really love music to have it as a full time thing, because there will be some ups and they'll some downs, There'll be some bumps. It's like, but at the end of the day, you just kind of got you gotta balance it. Well, what I would say, if you wanted to do it professionally, you if you like there's a difference between doing it because I. Love it and then doing it professionally. You have to pretty well do both, I'd say, But if you want to do it professionally, my advice if I was giving. Any advice to anybody out there would. Be you have to be willing to grow and to be able to step out of your comfort zone. Because at the end of the day, we all have about a dozen little licks that we like to do.

25:36 We have our go to I'm going to do my go to thing. I do my go to you know. But when you really expand, it's when you go to your things that you have not gone to, where maybe you go to part of your go to but then you go somewhere else which your brain is not used to. So as a result of that, that will create discomfort and you'll feel disharmony. But got to work through that. So the ability to do that, but also it's a business. You have to be able to manage yourself as a business. You know, you have to be able to put yourself into the right situations. But generally you need to really really do your homework and know what you're doing, and then from there, opportunities will come up, and generally they don't come up all the time. If they do come up, when they do come up, you have to be more than ready.

26:27 You can't just be oh, I'm gonna see if I can. You've got to be You've got to be even more than ready, right, you have to be more than like if you want to do it professional because there's so many people that are there. Right, you have to love it, but you have to learn and you have to grow. You have to push yourself to constantly push yourself to the next level. But at the same. Time, as an original artist, because I'm also that, yes, you also have to really really you have to have the mechanics. But then from an original artist's point of view. You have to step back and then you have to to how everybody is. So I do two things. I perform as a tribute. Right, I am in a character.

27:12 It's like a Shakespearean imagine a play, Shakespeare play. I'm in character. I'm John Lennon, I'm whoever i am, Okay, I'm John Fogerty whatever. I'm in a character. That is different than being an original artist. So it's two separate things. Where, yeah, you have to master your skills, you get to. A certain point, but then you have to do but then you also have to you also have to understand. Where you are and what you're doing. Right, what are you? What are you doing? Are you? You know? And you have to understand you. So two separate hats. I just wanted to separate them. I love that. Thank you, Thank you. Now, how do you go about getting making the connections that you make to like get the call from Malaysia or get you know, a call the come back to Canada or me.

28:02 Have you ever heard of the ten thousand hour rule. Yes, you put in the ten thousand hour rule, you'll get You'll get the calls, You'll manifest it. Manifestation putting yourself into the right place isn't just I'm going to go meet somebody, but it's they're going to be drawn to you based upon what you can do. But it's not just what you can do in your basement. You do have to put yourself out there. So if you're a musician, go out to you know, go perform, go out. To open mics. Social media obviously gets people out there, but at the end of the day, you can be a super extraordinary talent and that will get you far. But to really go farther, there's got to be something inside of you that is genuine.

28:46 Yeah. So it's a whole It's not just what you do, but it's it's it's a whole it's the person. Are you are you just getting a face? Are you just are you trying to emulate somebody? Are you copying somebody? Or are you being inspired by everybody around and saying Okay, I really like that. I like this Lisa girls, she kind of I love how she kind of tinkles the keys and then she kind of goes up high there. That's kind of cool. I like that. Okay, so you're inspired. But then, but then, Joe, I've got to have my own thing. Yes, it can't just be a facade. It is a facade, but there's got to be there's got to be something behind the mask that resonates. And when you start to resonate a certain energy, you will draw, you will you will attract. Do I sound like Tony Anthony or Tony Robbins or whatever?

29:34 Right, you're like, it's so. True, though, because you know what I have this You're not silly. I appreciate it. Silly. I like being silly. You know, there's there's something that will never lose as human beings, and that is authenticity. You cannot buy authenticity and you cannot fake authenticity. And if you show up, I agree with you one hundred percent if you show up one hundred percent authentic and show up for yourself, not only just like show up because like you're performing, like show up for you because there's so much gratification in following your passion and doing what you love for yourself first. And there's no again, we should buy that.

30:20 You can't buy that. So with your lifestyle, I'm sure you've adapted to it. A couple of weeks ago, I had a guest on Steven Abby and he said, you know what I travel. I do a lot of performing. He does orchestras and travels the world as well. And it goes awesome. That's cool, good for him. Yeah, it's a little bit lonely, he goes, But I love what I do, so it makes up for it. So and I can understand that I have a lot of friends in the business, and you know, we we get used to it. But are you sure are you referring to like just on the road alone? Yeah, not having love, not feeling love, No. Not so much that. I mean, you have your bandmates, you have your friend.

31:03 You well, I do every now and then I'll give them a hug, but I don't hug them. They might get the wrong idea, but I do love them. Well, no I'm not. I'm not being like bye, I am silly, but I'm not being funny about. I'm going to give you a serious answer though. We're gonna dial it and I know what you're talking there. Great, okay, so let me give Okay, So let me I would say, is you have to know you. You've got to be comfortable. Like for me, I can be. I can be. I could go like months on end with just me. I could just be here working in my studio. This my little sound booth behind me by the way, before I record my vocals. My home is literally a studio. It's like a studio. It's almost like a James Bond you ever see like the James Bond cars where he's got all the gadgets. Literally my apartment has just been converted into this is a studio.

31:50 Okay. That's it, you know, like, oh, forget all that other stuff I have to do. Well, I do that too, Okay. So you need to be comfortable and confident with with who you are, and that takes a lot of internal work. And the big thing is validation. You're on stage, those people are loving you. Oh great job. You know, you know, Okay, well that's nice, but that can't be your only steam that's driving you, because then you're going to get into trouble. If you need external validation, you got to have it on the inside. You've got to be confident with who you are, and you've got to really enjoy that time alone. Right when you do have that time alone on the road, I love it because I'm like, Okay, this is cool. I'm going to read up on this. So I'm gonna there's this really cool, you know, guitar solo. Maybe I'll look at you know, I'm not really a guitar player. I do play guitar, but I'm not like an elite player more rhythm. But I'll look at that. Oh that's a cool reffer. I'll listen to I love classical music as well, or and I'll listen to certain things. Wow, you'll take that apart.

32:49 Or you know, sometimes I'll just go out in nature. So I just enjoy being on my own because when you're in front of like a thousand people, ten people, twenty thousand people, it doesn't matter what it is. It could be twenty people, it doesn't matter. The point is that I'm almost overstimulated with people's energy. So when I'm on myyo, it's like I'm going to enjoy this downtime. But again, it can get lonely if you are not if your head is not in the right it can it can. So you have to be very mindful about or you got to do the work on the inside.

33:30 It's not a serious enough answer. Yes, it was a great answer, and it's so true. I mean it's and I don't travel like you do, don't. I don't perform as much as you do. However, when I do perform, and when I show up on stage, this is from my audience out there, like again, show up for yourself and know what you're doing. However, there's this there's a secret beauty and I think it's musician talk that you just kind of go into the zone when you're when you're playing, you go into that zone and you get to just one hundred percent be there with your instrument, with yourself. And I don't know about you, but for me, like whoever's watching or listening, like that all falls away, like I don't even know that they're there, you know.

34:17 I call that, I call that therapy. It's a therapy. Session. Yes, I well, I will say I am aware. I am aware of. Oak to a certain degree. Yes, to a certain degree. But yeah, you get into the zone. I guess you could say you get to go home, which is we spend a lot of time outside thinking over here, over here, but we don't spend a lot of time at home. So when you're performing and you're in the right place, like you're talking about, I totally get what you're saying. You are at home, you get to. Be who you are and then and in a certain degree, but not completely, because we don't want to be locked up with white coats, you know, and thrown into a crazy room, but we do get to remove the mask from ourselves to a certain extent, not completely, but quite a bit where people get to see, Wow, this is this, you know, Lisa, this is this is this is this is kind of this is who I am. Like you're seeing more of who I am than you might in a regular conversation.

35:18 You know, you might get some of it, but this is even more so. That energy is just pouring out of you and and it's so real and it's so refined, and it's like and sometimes it can be intense. Sometimes you know, but it will affect people in certain ways. You know. Sometimes with an audience, and this is one thing, another point that maybe you'll get on later or maybe not. You'll do the gig and the audience doesn't seem to be responding as much, but then after the gig they're coming up to you and they're like, oh my god, like that just blew my world away, like wow, like but it can be because the audience is actually with you and reflecting. So just because you're not getting a big applause some nights doesn't mean they're not with you.

35:59 Some times they're with you more. But their process, they're. Listening and they're processing it. But then there are some nights where they're going crazy and they have a good time and that's okay too, you know, and that's great too. So there's different levels. But as a performer, I would say, don't ever be so quick to judge what impact is happening around you never know, because but that's why you have to not worry about that so much and focus here just being And yeah, if you want to play with the audience, I do. I have fun. Andrew who is in sixties Mania, he's kind of the main. Guy in sixties. I'm I'm kind of his lieutenant. I help him out with the vocals. But you know he will.

36:41 He's a great MC. He's really good at that. But but you know, there'll be certain nights, you know where yeah, you start thinking all bad, did that song hit that did not hit? And and you think, oh, maybe it didn't, but then you realize now it it did hit. It hit so hard that people were just didn't know how to respond. No Joe. For our musicians out there that are outperforming, What is your advice on anxiety? Anxiety? Besides, I would say you have to have some anxiety. If you don't have any anxiety, then you've then I feel that you've lost it.

37:21 You have to have a little bit. You've got to have that there. So there's the good anxiety that's going to make that adrenaline kind of boost, that's going to make you do better. Sure, but you're like still a little nervous. But then there's that other anxiety, which is, oh my god, I can't do it. I'm going to be sick. If if you are that you have that anxiety, what I would say is maybe. Work on it a little bit more, work on it. And I would say work and if you're playing guitar, singing or piant whatever you're doing, if you have a mirror, perform in front of the mirror and become very comfortable with the person in the mirror is my solution. But the other thing is do it so much that it becomes so second nature. But don't wait forever. At a certain point, even if you haven't got it all down, go out there, Go do an open mic.

38:05 Just get out there and do it. Because once you do it the first time, you're like, like, what's his face? Rocky Balboa and Rocky three, you're intu bad? What are you saying that you're intu bad? And it's terrible invitation, But it's it's not so bad. It's like okay, wow, Like okay, it was I overcame this. So generally, when you have a fear, I would say, try to overcome it, even if you're terrified, do it at least at least you did something right and then and then it gets easier. But if you lose that anxiety where you have none of it, then you've lost that's not. A good thing. You have to have a little bit yes, the just before you start you're like.

38:46 There's this saying that if you have anxiety is a signal to you that says that you care, that you're showing up and you care. Yeah, and then you know, I don't know if that means if you're over anxious and you're overcaring. I don't know if that's true. But yes, it's healthy to have a little we're all cut a little bit. And then and then, and then you get to the point where it's you're neurologically crazy because you're so worried, then you know that's something that can be worked through breathing. There's different pressure points that you can push on your body. You can reset yourself with certain certain pressure points will do that. But just breathing, breathing in, breathing in, just focusing for you know, even even if it's for thirty seconds, just breathe in and breathe out and just and and what do they say? They say this all the time and every damn thing that like ninety five percent of all your worries never come true.

39:41 So even less than that, most of the time it never happens. Yes, right, So okay, so maybe you do make an ass out of yourself I've made an ass out of myself many times, but guess what you learn from it. I'm not saying that should be your goal. I'm going to make an ass out of myself. Yeah, you know, but I have had to say I have one. I have to say, Joe, that we are each our own judges, and we judge ourselves so harshly. So yeah, you might have come across as more funny and warm than than you're being harshing yourself. So so yes, a shout out to everyone out there. And I always say this to my students because I'm also a music teacher.

40:21 I always say, be kind and be patient with yourself because you don't know what you don't know, and as you grow and learn, you know, we get frustrated with what we don't know. So be open to what you don't know, because you don't And even like even when I'm practicing and I get you mentioned earlier, like be open, Be be open to work with other people because again, what you don't know, you don't know, So be okay with that, Be okay with learning different approaches or different ways or different rifts or different chords or hey, you know, I'm playing this. Indeed, but wait a minute, isn't that normally in c Well yeah, but you know, we're adapting to your voice or his voice or right. You have to be easy to work with because it just makes it more fun for everybody. Nobody wants to work with somebody that's all like all stress down and you know, angry exactly.

41:11 And you think about the fear too, like some of its fear, some of it's comfort. We as human beings do not like to go out of our comfort zone. We'd love to master a few things. You know. Vocalists they'll master their scales, they have a certain couple of licks they do. Guitar players they have their twelve and so. And I've produced a few people, and I'm driven guitar players nuts because I don't they I don't really play lead, but I can hear everything, right, It's like piano, but I can hear everything. So I don't know this, and I'm like, hey, why don't you try to add this extra note or take out this note? And they're like, and they're a little bit defensive about it initially, But I'm not thinking what I'm producing as well.

41:52 I produce as well. I'm not thinking about hey, here's the guitar player, here, here's the singer. I'm thinking, what is going to put them in the best place? But what is best for the song? It's a team effort. If you're doing a song, what is best for the whole thing. I'm looking at the big picture, right, So that's another thing that I would say as well. If you want to improve, think about the big picture. You know, it's okay to pick up some of these other instruments. Maybe you don't become overly proficient, but become proficient enough. If you're a songwriter that or you just want to jam with people, become proficient enough where you start to learn some of the other some of the other instruments where you know how it works, and then your own playing will get better because you sort of know where to be and where not to and there's no right or wrong place. It's all subjective at the end of the day. But then you could make the argument when you listen to Bach and Mozart, well lose that subjective. Yeah, it's subjective, but I would say, but I would also say, there's genius, you know, so there still is even with subjective, which is sort of the layman's term to get out of it to make the argument. But there still is, you know, there's still I believe musically is and then there is here, there and there. So but not that I would say learn the other instruments. Just learn them basically, you don't have the master them, but pick one to get good at first.

43:14 But know, how are these what are these other people doing? If you're going to play with other people? So we have a couple of minutes left. So two questions, One, how do how does my audience get in touch with you? As far as producing goes? What type of work do you produce? And then the other question is where are you playing next? Yeah, I produce like basic pop records, I do record coss co muics well, but I do all sorts of music. But they can get in touch with me at Joe Taylorofficial dot com or they can go on the Facebook Joe t Official okay Facebook, and I think they could probably just go through you and just look for Joe Taylor on Facebook is probably the easiest way to do it.

43:58 And what was the second question, Oh where are we playing next? Well, the next gig that I'm doing, I'm not playing for a little while now, So I'm going to be heading off. But the next gig I believe that I'm doing is going to be at the Eisman Center, the Sixties Mania in July. That'll be in Dallas, Texas, and it's it's a beautiful theater, which is amazing. And but there was a little bit more thing. There was one else, I something I wanted to say. So I've also started to work with a new producer. Okay, so I produced, but I've also started to work with a new producer out in California, and so new songs are being developed and I'm now in the beginning phases.

44:43 I'm working on a production. Do you like there? So well, I won't say anything else my fingers crossed. But if you do see new material coming out, and you know, into the end of. This year or next year, there's new material coming. So and you write your own song. I do. I do. That's one of the things I do. I kind of I do it all. I learned it over many years, you know it just I love doing it though. It's fun. That's awesome. I could have you on for another hour and ask like tons of questions, but where we have a one minute left? Joe, real quick share the audience. Any last words of inspiration as far as musicians out there that want to get more involved.

45:23 Yeah, I would say just don't ever stop believing. Yes, but don't just be a dreamer. Be a doer. Sometimes it might be fifteen minutes a day that you're doing something investing towards yourself musically as a musician, as building your business, and it's important. You've got to be consistent. You've got to just have some type of incremental things. And final word, if you do have a success, success, if you have success, celebrated, but also have gratitude that you have that success, and be humble and be humble and then then move forward, but celebrate your winds. Yes, absolutely, Joe, thank you so much for being with us today. Thank for my audiences out there. Tune in with me next week. I have another fabulous guest every week.

46:13 I feel so grateful and so thankful to be connected with such fabulous talented musicians out there. And Joe, thank you so much. Best version. The next time I'm back in Florida, I think we're in Florida in the fall, I will reach out to you for sure, maybe come out. To a show. Yeah, absolutely, all right, Joe, Yes, we will look to talk to you too. Bye. Thank you to my audience for tuning in. Whether you're watching this live now on Monday or another. Day, I wish you much peace and happiness.

46:58 Always be safe with your travels and everywhere you go. Must of all be patient, kind, and be happy