Sept. 8, 2025

The Sound of Gold with guest Sally Maple Fox

The Sound of Gold with guest Sally Maple Fox
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Season 1

An intimate look behind the scenes of a local Florida band called, Foxes and Foes. What has been their biggest inspiration?
With their cool, high vibe rock and roll genre, and a booked schedule for playing. Let's find out what keeps them going. As audiences are always coming back to hear more !

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Hi, welcome to the Sound of Gold. This is our

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sixth episode and I'm so glad to be here with you.

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If you're just tuning in, if you have not joined

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us before. My show, The Sound of Gold is based

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on music musicians, local music venues, music teachers, music schools,

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and other venues that offer services like live musicians. So welcome, welcome, Welcome,

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wherever you are, and it doesn't matter whether you're local

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or out of state or out of the country. The

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purpose of my show really is to keep music alive.

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All musicians have.

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This gift of giving from their heart and their passion

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is playing an instrument, playing music, and some of us

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have this great opportunity where we meet people or we're

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at venues and we make connections and we get to

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perform at places we really didn't imagine we'd ever be

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in and.

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Not all of us get that.

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So today I can't wait till you meet our guest,

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and I apologize for the sound. We have some thundering

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and lightning going on back here, so I can hear

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it loud and clear here, so if you hear it,

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it's not drums, it's Mother Nature playing. So today my

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guest is Sally Fox Maple. And I don't know why

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I always say Sally Maple Fox, but it's Sally Fox

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Maple and she is lead singer of Foxes and Foes,

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and she performs here locally in Florida. She's played at

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some big venues and some small venues and also venues

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I don't even know about. And I can't wait to

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introduce her and to share more with you and get

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to learn with you what she's done and what's inspired

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her and how she continues to grow and move around.

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The state and perform. Sally, are you here with us?

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I sure am, Hi, welcome, Hi, Thanks for having me.

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Yeah, you bet.

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I'm so glad that you had opportunity to join us today.

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And I have to tell you I know you, but

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I don't know you, but I absolutely love your energy.

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You are such a positive inspiring person. I love to

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listen to your shows. I don't get out that often

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to hear you play, but I just like you ever

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like meet people where you just like connect and you're

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like you like you feel like.

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You've known them forever. So to me, you're like to

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me like you're.

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Extended family to me, like like months could pass and

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we could reconnect and like see each other, and it's

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just like I feel like like.

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Hey, you know it's been a while, you know, like

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how are you?

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And so I just I love you. You are just you

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just mean so much to me, and I've never said

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that to you. So again, thank you for being on

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the show today. And there's so much about you that

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I don't know and that I can't wait to share

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with the audience, because not only are you a positive,

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like this positive inspiring person, but you're a lead singer

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of a band, and you perform at various venues locally.

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You've performed that South Florida Fair. I mean, there's so

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many questions I have, and I guess, to start off,

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when did you start performing or singing or what inspired

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I guess what inspired you to begin this journey of music.

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Yeah, and by the way, the feelings mutual that way,

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I love you too. You're awesome talking about good positive energy.

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That's that's you all day. So yeah, but music, you know,

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I was raised around, raised around music, and uh, first

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instrument was harmonica. Second instrument with saxophone, very limited success

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on those. I quickly moved to the piano. My mom

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played piano and then moved into stringed instruments and kind

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of stayed there. So guitar was. Yeah, the guitar was

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first instrument I played on the string family, unless you're

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going to get super technical and consider a piano a string,

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which some people do. But yeah, I loved it, and

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I took lessons, did some performing as a young person,

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and then I took an eight year break for music.

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I played a little bit, but I was playing high

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school and college sports, and when I got out of that,

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I was playing professional sports, started playing again, and I

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was in the metal and punk scene down here when

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I first got to Florida, So that was very different

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than what I do now. And it was very limited,

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very limited venues, like, very limited opportunities. There wasn't a

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whole lot that I could do with that. So during COVID,

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we couldn't play anywhere, so we just started playing in

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the garage, just acoustic, and that's where Fox and Fields

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was formed, was in a garage during COVID. That's kind

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And then I just started going to venues, and really

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it was born out of visiting venues and hanging out

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there and then asking if if I wanted to play,

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and then that turned into me new venues and doing

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cooking in person and just wanting to you know, in

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new places and experience new areas. So it all kind

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of happened really fast. COVID started, and then as soon

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as we opened back up, I was pretty regularly and

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I felt I had a lot of lost time to

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make up for taking eight years off more than that

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really of performing. So I've squeezed a lot of shows

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into a little amount of time since then, trying to

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get my entertainment chops up in my performance to count up.

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So that's awesome.

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Now are you a five piece? Are you like five

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people band? Four people banned?

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Well, Fox and Pos is mainly a trio, and it's

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an acoustic trio where there's not you know, there's not

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really like a whole lot of like electric elements, and

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we obviously we use a PA, but it's more of

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a like rootsy acoustic it. We call it Southern jam

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rock because it's like a mix of southern rock, jam

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band and you know, just just classic rock kind of elements.

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And Fox and Pos has been on a mini hiatus

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since since I got hurt, so we only play right now,

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we're only playing once a month, which is a huge

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departure from before we were playing you know, five, six

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to ten times a month. So my my band has

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taken a little bit more of my focus recently. So

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my band, you know, we just booke under my name

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Fox Maple, so so that's been getting a little bit

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more attention from me, I guess you could say. But

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Fox and Fills will definitely have more shows coming up,

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like in the next few months.

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What inspired you to name name it Fox and Foes?

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That was kind of a joke. I remember it started

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with somebody was talking about, you know, remember that game

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that was on the phone, so Words with Friends. Yes,

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I said it would be a lot more entertaining if

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it was Words with Foes. I just thought that would

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be like a way more fun game. And then there

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was like a show that like a morning political show.

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It's not about that. I just thought it sounded good.

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Fox and Foe so their show is called like Fox

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and Friends, which I don't know, I don't watch it,

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but that like I thought it would be just a

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fun play on words, but it started with like the

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words with friends joke. Like that's how it actually started.

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Guys that were in that band always would kind of

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give me on kind of worked out to be a

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perfect name.

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It is a great name. It is a great name.

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And just your name, Sally Fox Maple. I don't know

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why I keep thinking of you as Sally Maple Fox,

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but Sally Fox Maple.

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Your name itself, you have such good I don't know what.

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It is, but it's just like I hear your name

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and it's like like everybody knows your name, and it was,

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oh yeah, Foxes and Fox and Foes. So like, whatever

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you're doing, keep doing it. No, you don't necessarily. When

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I've seen you play or senior band, you sing right

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and then you have a couple others play guitar. Is

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that still how it goes? Or do you sometimes play

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an instrument or are you just singing right now?

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Oh?

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I always play an instrument always. I play mandolin if

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you can see I don't know if you can see

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how well you see my background, but I've got two

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big mandolins back there, so i play what's called an

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octave mandolin primarily, and it's just a way, way bigger

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version of a mandolin. And then sometimes I play that

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little ovation in the background and down then when I'm

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with my whole band to play my four string electric mandolin.

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But I'm a mandolin player. I do play other instruments,

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so I'm only really stage for fission and maybe three,

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but most of the time I play. I blame, but

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it's really hard for me to sing without an instrument

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in my hands. I don't know what to do with

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my hands. It just it makes me super awkward.

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Well, you always do awesome, and I have cats visiting

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where again, so many questions. I'm like jumping back up

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and all around. You mentioned the kind of music that

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you sing, it's kind of southern country. Do you sing

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any originals or do you just kind of focus on

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certain certain original pieces that have already been created.

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Yeah, I'm an original artist. I'm also recording artist, so

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I have a new album coming out imminently in the

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next probably two months, and we have put out Yeah,

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I've put out i think five singles and one double

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release and also one EP which was a five song EP,

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and that was one and yeah. So this is my

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full length album coming out. It's produced by Ben Childs.

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If you know him, so's he's awesome, So that'd be great,

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and that's what I try to mix it up. It

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depends on the venue, depends on the crowd on the night.

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You know, if I'm playing with my full band, I'm

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absolutely playing thirty to forty percent originals. If I'm playing

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with Fox and Fos, it just varies. If I'm playing

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solo again, it's like it's just crowd dependent. It's it's

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just some nights, you know, people really are in the

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cover mood and that's okay. But whenever I'm building a

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show with a venue like and we're talking about it

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being an original original performance, then that's going to be

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primarily originals. I do have enough music to play like

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two thirds of a three hour set original. Once this

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album's out, I'll be playing that more. But the goal

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is the band a lot more and the originals the focus.

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So that's something that takes years to build, and we're

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really right there on the on the cusp of that

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now where we're starting to be able to have a

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lot more original shows, which is that's definitely the goal.

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Awesome.

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Now, if somebody who's listening wants to connect with you

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and schedule you to play, what would be the best

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way to reach you.

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I got a website, Foxmaplemusic dot com can certainly reach

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me there. I'm on Facebook, Instagram, I'm now on TikTok,

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and I'm not good at it, but I'm getting better,

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so I've got some good reels on there now. I

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think I'm still learning this. I mean, I'm a I

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do know social media and I know social media promotion

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and all that, but the short form video content's a

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little new for me, and TikTok itself is very new.

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I did try Snapchat. I'm not doing that. I just

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I can't figure it out. I don't like Twitter, So

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if you find me on the socials I do use

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that's totally a good way to reach me too.

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Okay, great, Yeah, Snapchat, I think I did for a minute.

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At Twitter, I did for two minutes and then yeah

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I get it. Yeah, Facebook and and Instagram seemed to

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be the easiest. In TikTok, I can't tell you. I'm

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on it, I can't figure it out, so but oftome Okay,

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so yes, so tell me or tell our audiences. Well,

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tell our audience as well. You've played at local venues.

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You've also gotten into South Florida Fair. How was that possible?

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How did you make that possible?

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out to people. They have a process like anyone else.

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But also depending on who's in your band at any

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given point in time, you may be playing with people

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that know people at certain venues. Okay, at the time

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we were playing there, I had someone in my band

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that knew them. Well. They have also changed the people

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that run that, so we'll see what happens with that

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one in the future. But we did also last year

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we played Martin County Fair, so we did that instead,

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And so I did four years in a row South

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South Florida Fair, which was great, certainly loved it, would

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definitely go back. And then last year we did Martin

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County Fair instead and that was really cool too. Very different.

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They're definitely different, but really fun experience. Different lineup totally

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different kind of a show. So we'll see what happened

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with that with that this year. But the main focus

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is as much as we love everything we get to

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do here locally and finding the best venues, the best

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stages we can, we're also trying to get on the

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road more. So that's a big priority for next year.

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That was supposed to be a priority for this year,

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but I don't know if you know. I think you

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know that I was hospitalized for a week and with

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the things it's the same to think about how much

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everything changes when you go through a medical emergency. So

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now we'll be working on that, you know, for January, February,

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March like season down in South Florida, hopefully be in

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different parts of Florida all through season and still at

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some of our good local venues.

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Now, would you venture to go outside in Florida as

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well or you just kind of want to stay in Florida.

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we've already talked to several venues outside of Florida. We

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have a few venues in South Carolina. We've talked to

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Atlanta area. I'm actually from Atlanta area, I've been here

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twenty years, but I was born there, so I know

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some clubs around there. O a good friend and little

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good couple good friends in Nashville, So we'll see. But

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the places that are the easiest for us to swing

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coming into the beginning of the year there. But I

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did just get back from Wisconsin. Frank and I play

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my boyfriend. You probably know, he's a very accomplished blues musician,

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and we just went up to Wisconsin and played in Wisconsin.

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We've done three years in a row. I think he's

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done it five years in a row at a cool

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little It's a really fun mini festival they do there.

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It's primarily blues. Okay, then yeah, he plays in Chicago.

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I did play in Chicago last year with a full band,

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so I had a band up there last year, and probably,

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you know, if we go back up there next year,

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I'll have my new band with us. So yeah, I'll

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play anywhere. I love Wisconsin, but I'll know we'll go

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have and we'll travel.

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That's awesome.

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You mentioned something about when I asked you about reaching

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out to venues.

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You know, it's so true. I do a lot of

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different work.

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I would do a lot of work in the music

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industry and I'm finding maybe because.

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How do I say this.

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I don't know if it's just like I'm just starting

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to grow up, but I fine, Like if you reach

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out and you ask, more than likely you'll get to yes.

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Or if somebody asked me for like an opportunity shows up.

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Instead of being afraid and saying no because I'm not

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sure if I could do it, just saying yes gets.

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You in the door. And I mean, I think some

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of us are bold, and.

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I'm not saying I'm not saying you particularly, but there

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are others bolder than me, I think, and I can

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be bold, but yeah, I think the message to the

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audience from what you shared and what I'm experienced is,

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you know, step out there, ask for what you want.

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Don't be afraid to ask for what you want, because

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more than likely you'll receive it. Right Because they because

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also there's that energy thing in the spirit world, like

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you know, be careful what you ask for. Well, if

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you're more determined, like more centered and really know what

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you want, ask for it. Don't be afraid because more

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than likely it'll come back with yes.

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Right, I mean more than likely, I would think.

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Yeah, I mean every venue is different, and there's venues

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that are more like community based, and those are they're

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more approachable, and they are people that employ musicians of

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all levels. And then there's venues that are up to

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your professional venues, so they have a different system for

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their booking. They're looking for different things. They might be

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bringing in out of Veria artists, they might have a

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focus in original music. But you do have to try.

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I think that one of the main things is wanting

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to do it obviously and asking for it, but also

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being prepared and trying to put a professional product together.

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And if you're asking for money. Now, there's plenty of

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venues that you can go and play and they have

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open mic opportunities or they have like songwriters and the

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round opportunities. But if you're going to make a value

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proposition to a venue that I'm going to come perform there,

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you want to you know, be professional and put together

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a good product and you know, be on time and

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bring people, spread the word, promote and all that. So

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booking is like a whole you know, hour long conversation.

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And I learned so much ready and I have so

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much to learn, and I do work with a couple

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of booking agents and they are true masters of their craft.

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I'm just trying to fill the gaps. But booking is

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a whole whole different planet. If you're just looking to

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get out there and play, there's a lot of venues

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built for that. And then once you want to get,

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you know, to that next level, then it's our job

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as professional musicians to put a really good product together

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and be approaching them with the right amount of professionalism

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and having all of our promotional materials together. So that's

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a whole nother Like there's people teaching classes on this,

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you know, like that are way better at explaining it

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than me. But yeah, so it's just know your venue,

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go there in person, get to know what they like

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to do. If you're a heavy metal band like I

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was when I first came down here, you're not going

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to go play at the coffee shop down the street. Yeah,

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people are going now on Sunday morning. So know your

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venue and do the research. But yeah, absolutely, you're never

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going to get if you don't ask. I do get

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people that contact me and you know, approach me, but

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it's not like that's something that happens every day, and

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no one should expect it to happen at any point

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or at any level. You know, if you're unless you're

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one of the top top names in the world, you're

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not going to just get constant unsolicited offers. You definitely

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have to ask.

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Excuse me, for our musician listeners, I don't know. I

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know you do real estate, right, so I don't know

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what else you do other than perform. But I do

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know other musicians have us, say, full time jobs or

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part time jobs, and I also work, so I don't

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always play out or don't get the opportunity to because

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my bread and butter is coming from teaching, right, So

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that's kind of like my main thing. I think if

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I was full time, like out there looking for venues

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to play at, and I don't know that it's so

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easy for a piano player than it is for a

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full band or singer. I guess one of what I'm

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getting to is for listeners that are musicians that are

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working full time jobs but kind of do this on

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the side but want more.

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I mean, there's that juggle.

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I mean, do you do you have comments about where

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I'm going with all this.

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Yeah, the transition from being like a part time musician

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to a full time musician essentially, you just you know,

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it's just like anything that you're going to do, you

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have to put the time in to become really good.

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So I go out all the time and see all

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sorts of levels of bands, and I see certain people

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that are extreme like technical wizards. They are really really good,

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like at it. Maybe they're really good at their instrument,

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but maybe they're also really good at their equipment, and

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they put on a certain kind of show that free

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technical in nature, and that's awesome. And then there's people

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that they sound more they keep it a little more simple,

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but there's a lot of soul and impact and entertainment

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like quality, a lot of showmanship. And if you're out

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there singing soulfully and you're getting the song you know right,

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but you're you're singing it in a way that's emotionally

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powerful that sometimes you know, it's more bookings than the

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extreme technical type of stuff. It depends on again, who

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you're approaching, what's your venue, know your venue. So there's

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a lot of different levels. But the people I know

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that are full time musicians, the one common thread is

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they're always trying to be better. They're never ever satisfied.

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They're always trying to become a better musician, because it's

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not just like you can't be a full time musician

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unless you are obsessed. I mean, you have to be

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obsessed with it. It's just and some people maybe don't

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feel emotionally obsessed about it because it's a job, but

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they're still obsessed with it to the fact that they're

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going to work at their craft constantly. It's just what

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they do. So if you're going to approach it in

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a way that, oh, I only want to play a

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couple days a week, I don't really want to work

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on it, you know, that's better kept as the sag.

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So you're going to do it. I mean, it's a

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I've only been on the road, you know, maybe fifteen

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twenty times. I've only played out of area maybe twenty

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thirty times. I'm still really green myself. But it is

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tough out there. I mean it's brutal, and going on

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the road is super confusing. It takes a ton of planning,

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it takes a ton of coordination. Keeping a band together

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is so difficult. It's a huge task. And then there's

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some guys that they can't keep a band together because

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it's so hard. They just are hiring other professional musicians,

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which and that can work too, But you just have

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to know what you're getting in through and you've got

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to be ready, and you do have to have the

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ability to do it because financially speaking, it's extremely difficult

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to pull it off, especially this day and age with

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the cost of living. You know, I work in real estate.

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I have for fifteen years. It's absolute chaos and it

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makes me want to scream on a given day. But

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obviously know more than anyone how hard it is for

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people to find a place to live right now that's affordable.

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So working as a musician, sweating it out, it's hard.

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So it's something you have to plan for and you

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have to commit to and then you've got to just

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do it. At some point, you got to just do it.

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Bet.

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That's why you can do it. On a real estate

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and music note is get your cost of living down

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as low as possible. Go run a room from your friend,

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hopefully he's a musician too and he doesn't practicing all

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the time, and get rid of the expensive car, get

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your get your cost of living down as low as possible,

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and then get your product quality of your music. I

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know I don't like using that word. A lot of

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people like using that word, but get your comments to

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your craft or whatever you want to call it. Yeah,

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is good performance and that's very marketable. And please, once

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you are out there and you want to be a pro,

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don't play for nothing. Know your know your worth and

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and bring a good show and and you know, play

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for a legitimate amount of money. Don't don't just say

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I'll do it for free or I'll do it for tips.

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Like if you're trying to be a professional musician, and

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other people in this town are trying to be a

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professional musician, you've got to you know, understand that you

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have value and you have to ask for that. That's

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one of the things asked for. You can't you can't

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get if you don't ask for it, ask for for conversation,

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because that you're you're worth that it's an art. You're

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putting your art out there, so you know, know that

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value a little bit. Absolutely, this is easy.

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No, no, it's not easy. And one of the reasons

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I'm also that I also do this show is because

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I think I get the sense I should say that

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musicians are underrated. Like if you go to if I

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go out somewhere and there's a band playing, and let's

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say the place is going to pay two hundred dollars

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and you got to split two hundred dollars between five

468
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.200
play you know, three or five musicians. The audience doesn't

469
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.599
know that, and so you know, the audience may tip,

470
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.759
they may not tip. But I don't people that are

471
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.519
not musicians that come out to listen to musicians, I

472
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.400
don't think they realize the passion.

473
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.400
And the commitment that goes into the craft.

474
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.480
And I want to so bring that out to the

475
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.720
forefront because even actors and actresses.

476
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.559
You know, they we see them on TV. They think, oh,

477
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:02.480
you know, they must live.

478
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.240
In the big houses and this and that, but they

479
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.119
put so much time, just like musicians, so much time

480
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:13.160
and so much work into their craft to grow and

481
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:16.480
to be better. And like you said, and I understand

482
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.839
that completely. I'm always as a musician too. I'm always

483
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.839
wanting to do better and to play better. And I'm

484
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.559
you know, I'm still taking lessons even though I'm teaching,

485
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.720
I'm still the student. And you know, it's a it's

486
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:34.880
a forever growing craft music. And I think those, like

487
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.599
I said, those that are not. Musicians don't realize how

488
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.480
much passion and how much we how much sweat we

489
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:41.839
put in.

490
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.079
Yeah. Now, I think it depends on the generation. I

491
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:50.480
think some generations they react to music better than others.

492
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.799
I think some young, younger generations they're not so used

493
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.720
to it yet. They're not used to like the live

494
00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:00.960
music venues and being out there a lot, whereas certain

495
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.559
groups of older people, they come out and they have

496
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.119
been interacting with live music at bars and clubs their

497
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:09.039
whole lives, so I think they sometimes engage a little

498
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.960
bit more. But there's always going to be those people

499
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.240
that are at the venue that have live music and

500
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.759
they're just kind of there and they're hanging out and

501
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.720
they're socializing, and maybe they're not tuned into the music,

502
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.359
and that's that's okay. I mean, they're still supporting the

503
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.599
venue and they're still out there and shouldn't get offended

504
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.440
by it. It's it's hard for some artists. They don't

505
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.039
they don't like it when there's those people there that

506
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.640
aren't engaging, but they're still think about it. They're still

507
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.359
keeping that music venue open, so there's still a part

508
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.640
of it all and it's important too, and that again,

509
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.799
you know, it depends on the venue. There's certain venues

510
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.160
where you're playing and you're there and you're almost a

511
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.359
bit of like an ambiance for them. And then there's

512
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.000
venues where it is a dead music room. So right,

513
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.519
so if you go into a place and you know

514
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.160
it's a dedicated music room, you're going to walk in

515
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.759
there and typically people are there to just see the

516
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.000
music and the fact they have food or wine or

517
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.000
shots all just extra. And then there's tons of venues,

518
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.279
tons of venues that they have like music, but they're

519
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.680
primarily you know, a bar, brewery or club or whatever.

520
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.480
So just know your venue and approach it the way

521
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.519
that is right for the venue, not just for us.

522
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.880
And then as patrons, as long as you're just you know,

523
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:21.599
if you just want to exist in the background and

524
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.880
you don't want to interact with it, that's okay. But

525
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.279
as long as you're not like heckling people, then that's like,

526
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:31.680
that's not okay. Tippic is awesome, and it's it's like

527
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.039
musicians haven't. So I'm not going to get into like

528
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.680
pay too much because it's such a controversial topic. But

529
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.920
if you think about like the national average of the

530
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.640
better bands in any city. Bands really haven't gotten a

531
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.319
raise like per man like in fifty years like on average,

532
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.039
So a lot of bands are still working for the

533
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.640
same money that they were working for when they were

534
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:59.079
in college and crazy. You know, that's not really a

535
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.759
good thing. Us as artists. We can improve that by

536
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.319
you know, saying I need to be paid more for

537
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.839
my time. But also as patrons, it's super cool to

538
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.400
tip because just like any starving artist, you know, we're

539
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.440
all starving artists out there. So if I go to

540
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.000
any place where I feel like I'm in that starving

541
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.839
artists mentality, I'm going to buy a piece of a

542
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.039
piece of art. If I'm out of fit craft fair,

543
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.759
you know, if I'm at some kind of an art festival,

544
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:28.480
I'm going to purchase something. So we're all supporting other

545
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.079
starving artists and at the same time, we're all maybe

546
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.400
we're all working towards helping to get you know, better pay.

547
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.960
It's some of these some of these venues, but again

548
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.720
knowing the venue having a value proposition for them, bringing

549
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.200
new people to that venue, those things all help the cause.

550
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:46.839
But tipping is always good.

551
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.200
Tipping is always always welcomed, right.

552
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.519
Not in Europe right now. It might be in Europe

553
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:55.359
in a few weeks, or someone might be traveling, but

554
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.640
right now we're here. Tipping is good by all means,

555
00:28:58.680 --> 00:28:59.160
keep it going.

556
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.440
I think it was you know, David Goodman.

557
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.400
I think it was David Goodman that had he might

558
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:09.279
have posted this somewhere in Europe, or it might.

559
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:09.920
Have been England.

560
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.000
He was there and he went to go tip the musician,

561
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.599
and they they found it very insulting because they get

562
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.559
paid well where they don't live off of tips. And

563
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.799
I go, whoa, I go, wait a minute, how come

564
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:24.759
we don't have that here?

565
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:28.960
Oh well, it's just cultural differences and just the way

566
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.799
that things happen and all that. I mean, I know

567
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:33.880
a lot of musicians that like playing in Europe for

568
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.599
a lot of reasons. They certain places in Europe, in

569
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.200
certain places in Canada, certain place in South America. Like

570
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.319
a lot of people don't know that Mexico is like

571
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.359
a heavy metal hub, Like they have tons of big,

572
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.160
huge metal shows and festivals, so you can go down

573
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.079
there and see all kinds of bands that you haven't

574
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.240
seen in a while. And just random places are into

575
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.359
certain things as far as like that particular artist and

576
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.359
him like being offended. My only question is was there

577
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.599
a tip jar on stage? If he had a tip

578
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.559
jar on stage, it would be really strange that he

579
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.000
get insulted. If he didn't. Then, like that's sometimes when

580
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.400
I'm in a room that doesn't have if I don't

581
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.920
see a tip jar, I'm like, okay, maybe that's the

582
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.400
situation that the club doesn't like tipping, or you know whatever.

583
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.440
So there's certainly clubs that you don't get tipped, Like

584
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.519
there's certain rooms that you don't put a tip jar out,

585
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.519
or if you're at like sometimes if you're at like

586
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.960
a charity event, you don't do that. So it just

587
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.440
depends on where you're at. But you know, hopefully he

588
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.920
wasn't mean about refusing.

589
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.559
To I don't remember it completely, but I just remember

590
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.880
specifically that in England or somewhere he mentioned out of

591
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.880
the country, they paid well and they go, oh, okay,

592
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.039
that's great, we should have that here.

593
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.960
I don't think that blanket rules for all of Europe, though,

594
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.240
I wouldn't assume that I'm just gonna whenever I go

595
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:52.119
to Europe next, if I see that, I'll just look

596
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.720
for a tip jar. If I don't see one, I'll.

597
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:58.359
Be like, OK, so, out of all the places you've played,

598
00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.839
do you have a favorite place?

599
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.240
Oh? Yeah, that's that's a tough one. I have a

600
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.519
special place in my heart for two venues when I

601
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.799
was first starting Fox and Foes. So I for years,

602
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.160
for six years, almost almost seven, I've played at a

603
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.559
place called Lafogata and yeah, just to be in here.

604
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.680
And this is way back in like twenty eighteen, twenty

605
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.240
nineteen that they just I just so happened to be

606
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.000
talking to the bar manager and he said, we want

607
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.319
to start having live music. And at the time, I

608
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:32.440
had a three piece surf rock band and we became

609
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.519
their house band and we played every Saturday night until

610
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:37.799
the lockdown, and it was a blend. It was awesome.

611
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.079
It's you know, it's a it's like certain rooms are

612
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.279
have a big stage or whatever, and this isn't really

613
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.440
that set up. But it's an awesome place. I still

614
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.480
play there second Tuesday every month I play. I play

615
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.920
there just solo. It's really fun, great people there. And

616
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.640
then also, you know, the first place that Fox and

617
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.359
Foes ever played live was Coastal Karma, and I don't

618
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.839
play there as much. I have so many things going on.

619
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.839
They got something different every now of the week, so

620
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.400
they have so much going on, and you know, obviously

621
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.880
their primarily brewery, but they have like so much different

622
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.279
kinds of entertainment that we don't really play there as much.

623
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.720
But it's an awesome place, and please support. Both of

624
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.440
those are local businesses, so I always support local businesses.

625
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:24.240
As far as a favorite stage, the Funky Biscuit is

626
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.319
an incredible music so and we're going to be back

627
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:31.480
there in October. That is an awesome, awesome room. And

628
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.880
then a really great stage locally, like it's super locally.

629
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.160
Double Roads is great and owned by friends of mine

630
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:44.359
and founded by another friend. So that is another cool stage.

631
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.160
That's a little you know, that's right in town in

632
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.680
juniteror so. But I love all the places that employ

633
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:54.039
me because they support a local artist. And then I

634
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.759
intern for the local venue and I work really hard

635
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.359
to bring people out, especially bringing new people. Never been there.

636
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.400
Oh you've never been there, You've got to check it out.

637
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.960
This is one of the the worst month for venues

638
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.799
in this area. Everyone thinks it's August, but it's really

639
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.880
September because it's just as hot. And back to school,

640
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:18.160
so you know it's this is September is the month

641
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.240
to go out and support any venue or business whatever

642
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.519
you want to support. This is a great month to

643
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.440
do it if you can. Obviously you know financial situations aside,

644
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.400
but when when you can. September that's a rough month

645
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.079
for venues, so it's a good time to go out

646
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:35.559
and support.

647
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:36.279
Now.

648
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.960
I've seen you play at La Fagada. The sound is great.

649
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.240
It's been a while since I've been back there to

650
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:42.799
see you play, but I did come and come out

651
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:43.240
and see you.

652
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:45.759
When are you playing there again?

653
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.000
Well, thank you because I run the sound when I

654
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:48.440
play there.

655
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.880
Okay, you're welcome.

656
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.599
The sound I play. That was just like a joke. Yeah,

657
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.119
I'm there a second Tuesday every month, unless you know

658
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.359
there's something going on with work or something. But right,

659
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.640
pretty much so I'm there tomorrow, Yeah, six thirty.

660
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.840
Okay on nor North Lake Boulevard. Is that North Pomb

661
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.559
Is that considered North Palm Beach or Palm Beach Gardens?

662
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:12.840
That's northun.

663
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:15.119
Laugh Fagata.

664
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.079
Also, I had Charlie from Coastal Karma on my show

665
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.280
last week. I don't know if you tuned in, but

666
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.239
he was on last week. Such a cool guy and

667
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.719
just his place is just so eccentric and so cool

668
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:27.440
and laid back.

669
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.440
I just love it there.

670
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.360
Yeah, he's he's great people. All the people that on

671
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.599
the places that I play regularly have become or started

672
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.159
off as really good friends of mine. I mean, so

673
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.920
I have. I think I have now four recurring venues

674
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.039
that I've played for quite a long time, and the

675
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.480
owners are all just excellent people, just really good people.

676
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.760
General managers all great people, and so it's it's easy

677
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.119
to support places that have awesome people running them. You know,

678
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:56.719
it just makes it more fun.

679
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:58.480
Yes, it does. Absolutely.

680
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.480
I have another question for you, but before I ask,

681
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.360
tell us again how we get in touch with you?

682
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.719
If our listeners want to reach you and and uh

683
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.639
connect with your music and find out where you're playing.

684
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:15.280
Foxmaplemusic dot com. That's my website, and then look for

685
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:18.199
me Fox Maple. I don't have it under the first name.

686
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:19.920
It's just too long, So I have to do Fox

687
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.840
Maple on Instagram or Facebook. If you want to hit

688
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.679
me up on TikTok that's really cool too, because I'm

689
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.000
new on there, so I need friends, so fill me.

690
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.039
I have to friend you on there.

691
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:35.880
One of the last questions I want to ask is

692
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.559
from from a human point of view, I don't know

693
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:42.760
if that's the right way to terminate termin.

694
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.440
It or terminology I've been using.

695
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.239
We've all physically gone through something at some point in

696
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.639
our lives. We've all been living, and then we have

697
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.239
this zigzag of a detour.

698
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:57.280
And you mentioned and.

699
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.519
I spoke to you during your recovery or I know

700
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.159
you're still recovering, but you're you're in a better place.

701
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:08.440
But when you have the surgery and as you've been recovering,

702
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.480
how have you handled it that downtime, Because when we

703
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.760
all stop to kind of like reflect and just stop

704
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.199
and focus on stuff, you had said, and I'm sorry,

705
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.599
I'm interrupting myself.

706
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.079
You had said something that that just touched me.

707
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.039
You said, you know, you could have every day a

708
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.760
million problems and that's just how life is. But once

709
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.760
your health is affected, it's just that one problem because

710
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.320
nothing else really matters. And that just like that hit

711
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.599
me so hard to the point where I'm like you

712
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:47.079
are so right, Like our physical well being comes first,

713
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.800
and then you know, when we're hit with something hard,

714
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.280
then we're like, yeah, like nothing else matters, But how

715
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.679
did you And I'm sorry, I'm asking in like so

716
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.920
many different ways, like how did you deal with that

717
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.920
that space where you just kind of had to stop?

718
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:07.719
I handled it at the beginning, probably better than I expected.

719
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.840
While I was in the hospital, because I essentially lost

720
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.280
the ability to walk and sit. I couldn't I was,

721
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.840
you know, not paralyzed in the traditional sense of the term,

722
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.880
but I could not move because I had this terrible

723
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:26.239
situation with a vertebra and nerve to where the disc

724
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.039
fractured into the nerve. So I just lost the ability

725
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.400
to move. So laying in a bed for seventy two

726
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.599
hours after having a fall at home, and I was

727
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.199
trying to still work. I was trying to go to

728
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:41.199
a show to play because you know, I have financial obligations,

729
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.199
and it's like just like that, like you said, you

730
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.880
have a million problems. So here I am in my

731
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.960
house with this severe pain. I'm like, I gotta go

732
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.119
to work, you know, I gotta I gotta do what

733
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.920
I gotta do. I got bills to pay, you know.

734
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.239
One am, I just got to tough it out, and

735
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.280
I fell and now I can't. Now I can't tough

736
00:37:58.280 --> 00:37:59.760
it out. Now, I can't go to work. Now I

737
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.599
can't move. And after seventy two hours of not being

738
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.440
able to move, and I have a surgeon tell me

739
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.679
we're gonna we're gonna do the surgery on Sunday morning,

740
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.039
and they do the surgery. I was no longer scared

741
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.159
of surgery, because what are you gonna do. I'm not

742
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.360
gonna land in bed for the rest of my life

743
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.400
being scared of surgery. Let's go, let's go right now.

744
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.159
And then all of a sudden, after that surgery, to

745
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.480
wake up and not have that pain anymore and be

746
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.400
able to sit up the first time in four days,

747
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.440
I was just so thankful, and I was just so thrilled.

748
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.480
And there were a couple of people that helped me

749
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.639
out while I was in the hospital, like with work

750
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:37.480
stuff and covered me. And you know, obviously, once you

751
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.559
you get out of that mindset for a second, because

752
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.360
you get home and you're like, I still do have

753
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.079
bills to pay, Like that didn't stop, that didn't go away,

754
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.159
But at the same time, like I'm I'm I can

755
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.679
walk again. So it's just it was so at first,

756
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.440
I was just so grateful, but then after a few

757
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.639
weeks mainly like the first week went by me at

758
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.719
home and Frank was on tour. He was up playing

759
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.559
show was all over the East Coast, so I'm you know,

760
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.000
and again that's his job, so like he has to

761
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.679
stay on tour, and I'm like, don't you dare come home.

762
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.400
We got to work. You know, we've had a mortgage

763
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.079
to pay. So he's on the road. I've got friends

764
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.960
here coming in checking on me. But what really kind

765
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.079
of hurt was a couple or a few weeks after

766
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.159
that not being able to play shows, and I felt

767
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.239
like the world was passing me by and I was

768
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.599
just stuck, Like after all the hard work and dedication

769
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.920
and everything I've put in trying to put this album together,

770
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.599
the absolute hell I went through to reform my band

771
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.519
and get this really great group of guys, I got

772
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.440
this band. Now it's like it all just stopped. So

773
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.360
that was that was hard. It was just depression, you know.

774
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.519
It was just like frustration and just like anxiety, Am

775
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.519
I ever going to be able to do this again?

776
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.480
But then I would that would go away and the

777
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.239
gratefulness would come back, and I'm like I can walk,

778
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.639
Like I can walk, I mean, I can stand up

779
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.199
like I wasalking with a cane for the first like

780
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.159
month and a half. I was walking with a walker

781
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.599
for two weeks. It didn't matter. I mean, I'm walking

782
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:06.679
with the walker. If I have to walk with the

783
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:07.960
walker for the rest of my life, at least I

784
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.840
can walk, you know. If I'm walking with a cane, hey,

785
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:11.920
at least I'm not using a walker. And now I

786
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.400
can walk without the walker because half my leg is

787
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.840
nun but I had some of it come back. Oh, like,

788
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.000
oh my god, I have to use a walker cane anymore.

789
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.400
I mean it's unbelievable. So it's just gratefulness is really important.

790
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.800
And with life throws stuff at you, which it does

791
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.360
for all, it's hard sometimes you lose focus of that.

792
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.599
So it's like every day it is important to think about,

793
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:35.599
you know, what can I be grateful for? And I

794
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.800
have friends that have diremstances that they're going through and

795
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.960
horrible things that they're dealing with, and oftentimes they're still

796
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.559
able to find things to be grateful for. But it's

797
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.960
not easy. And as musicians were extra emotional all of us.

798
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:55.599
That's why we're able to write. And it's hard because

799
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.840
we're super emotional. Anything that hurts hurts us twice as much.

800
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.599
But we just we just have to try and as

801
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.400
hard as it is, again, everyone's situation is different. There's

802
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.840
people going through unbelievable terrible things. But if you can

803
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.840
try to find something to be grateful for and you

804
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.159
know people that you can be appreciative of, that helps

805
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:15.679
help me.

806
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.760
Yeah. I think that's that's the biggest secret I think

807
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:22.239
in life all around, is just to be grateful for

808
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.760
what you have. And I've learned to say, be grateful

809
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:27.559
for what you have and be grateful for what you

810
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.719
don't have, right because.

811
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.679
There's things we really don't want to have.

812
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.960
But yeah, so I think that's I think that's the secret.

813
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.360
Just yesterday I was with some girlfriends and one of

814
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:40.519
my friends she said, you know, I wake up every

815
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.719
morning and I always say three things I'm grateful for,

816
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.480
And no matter like how busy my day or how

817
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.360
hectic my day is, or what my life or whatever,

818
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.639
every day I wake up and think grateful for these

819
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.079
three things one, two, three, and yeah, or even like

820
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.679
we all sometimes get into a funk or we all

821
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.679
deal with stuff, and I tried and remind myself too,

822
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.760
like Okay, well, I could be upset about this, but

823
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.960
I'm thankful for this. So I got to kind of

824
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.679
like be okay with that thing.

825
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.280
Over here because I'm still okay.

826
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.400
Right, Yeah, that's all. That's all you can do and

827
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.119
then you know right about it. So that's plenty of

828
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.719
things have happened. I haven't been writing much since I

829
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.199
got out of the hospital just because I don't know,

830
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:31.519
I haven't had the same creative desires, but just started

831
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.159
working on a few things. And yeah, I mean, that's

832
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.960
one thing we have as artists that some people don't have,

833
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.840
is that creative outlet that can be very therapeutic. It

834
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.880
can be very helpful, it can help you express what

835
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.199
you've been feeling. Is a bit of therapy. So at

836
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:49.519
least we have that. So true.

837
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.679
So do you have any last minute words as we're

838
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.039
coming to, you know, a.

839
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.719
Slow closing to the show for today's you.

840
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:04.119
Have any wisdom words for new musicians or musicians coming

841
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:09.079
into you know, wanting to do what you're doing what

842
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:09.840
I'm doing.

843
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.239
Yeah, work hard, and that's number one. You've got to

844
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.039
want to do it. You've got it. If you feel

845
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.239
like you can't work hard and get better, then you

846
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.159
might not you know, might I want to do it,

847
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.079
you know, you might not have the drive to have

848
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.079
to do it all the time. You have to enjoy

849
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.559
to some extent work the work, because that's that's what

850
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:33.960
it is. But also be humble. Don't expect anything until

851
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.599
you know you you fight for it. I hear sometimes

852
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.719
I have people approach me and they ask me. They're like, well,

853
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.719
this place won't write me back, or like this place

854
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.360
did this, and it's like, you just got to fight

855
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.639
for it. You got to keep trying, I mean, and

856
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.199
you can't expect it, and you can't just expect anything.

857
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.280
I mean, it's like you just have to fight for

858
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.519
it and you have. And then again, like some venues

859
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.480
like they're not going to be for you right now.

860
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.480
So that's the other thing is like when you're humble,

861
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.199
you know, like I can't call Madison Square Garden and

862
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:05.800
like just show up there and get pud like come

863
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.719
on so right, or like whatever the you know, some

864
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.800
big theater that's a few counties away. I have to

865
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.159
get to the point where I'm ready for that and

866
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.440
they're like ready for me to be there. So be

867
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.719
humble and understand that some opportunities are coming later. If

868
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.280
you work hard enough, like you can get there, but

869
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.480
be humble, don't expect it all, and just and be

870
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.960
grateful for the ones that you have. Now make the

871
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.440
most out of what you have. And at the beginning,

872
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.239
because at the beginning, like we all start with none.

873
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.199
Unless you're like the son of some famous musician or

874
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:47.079
daughter of some Broadway star, you're not being born with

875
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.960
venues waiting for you to perform. We all just have

876
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.679
to build. Just keep building and keep working on it.

877
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.559
And and also the most important one is to listen

878
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.719
to people that know more than you. I'm yeah, so lucky,

879
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.559
I mentor. I have a music mentor who knows so

880
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.639
much more than me. I have a producer who has

881
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.159
been there, done that I could know so much more

882
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:11.719
than me. And I had teachers and I had other

883
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.360
I had a producer on my first album, was a

884
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:18.440
studio musician, really really really accomplished. So listen to those people.

885
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.679
And I still have friends that have been playing live

886
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.519
music for like fifteen twenty years longer than me. And

887
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.559
when they tell me something, I listen, you know, I

888
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.880
want to know what they have to offer me. So

889
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:33.119
never think that you aren't going to learn from them,

890
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.639
because there's so much to learn from from people that

891
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.199
have have done it before. Those are the three things

892
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.000
that I think are super important of building a music career.

893
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.760
And then have fun, you know, have a drink, have

894
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.079
a good time, or if you don't drink, have a

895
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.199
bit of pop. You know, have a good time. But

896
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.719
have some fun because it's fun, right, It's fun being

897
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:54.079
out there.

898
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:55.280
It is fun.

899
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.960
And when you say work, like, to me, it's not

900
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.400
I don't know as a musician, it's a passion.

901
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.480
So to me, it's not work.

902
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.719
It's like I get to like, I get to play,

903
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.559
I get to have fun. And yeah, sometimes if we

904
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.639
put like so many hours into it, we can feel tired,

905
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.960
but then like we wake up tomorrow, let's do it again.

906
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.760
You know, it's not it's not the same.

907
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.280
Ideas, right, like we're going to field like sorry that well.

908
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.559
People think, yeah, you think of the word work and

909
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:23.840
you think of like, oh, I don't want to go

910
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.679
to work, right, But it's not that way when I

911
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.519
say it, it's like it's a profession and you approach

912
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.599
as a professional and you want to be a really

913
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.559
good at petograph. Right, So it's like work in a

914
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.599
good sense. It's like the positive like employment right and

915
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.679
a profession and like a career. So it's like a

916
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.360
good part of work, like oh man, I don't want

917
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.440
to go to work today. It's like, oh I get

918
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:49.679
to go to work today. But the more shows you play,

919
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:51.880
there's still going to be days where you wake up

920
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.320
and you're like, I'm not well, like, how am I

921
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.360
going to do this? You're going to do the way

922
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:58.920
you're going to do it. They're going to say, I

923
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:00.679
do love what I do. I'm going to get there

924
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.400
and have a great time. I just have to, you know,

925
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.880
drink a green tea or a red Bull or whatever

926
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.840
you drink, like I'm going to do it. But it's

927
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.760
is a profession if you are a professional, and that's okay,

928
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.760
and that's that's good. It's good to approach it that

929
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.199
way and you still can love it and you can

930
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.920
still have a great time. It's still passion, but it

931
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.239
can also be that. So it's like, but it's good.

932
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.239
It's a good thing. I promise was good.

933
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.559
Well, thank you so much Sally for being on the

934
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.000
show today, and thank you to our listeners. And again,

935
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.000
if you need to reach out to Sally, you can

936
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.280
find her at let me see Foxmaple dot com. Media

937
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:40.800
was at it.

938
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.239
Fox foxmaplemusic dot com. There's a really nice uh home

939
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.079
builder up in Canada called Foxmaple dot com. They make

940
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:52.840
like wood. Don't go there unless building a house in Canada,

941
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.199
then go there too, Fox Music dot Com.

942
00:47:56.360 --> 00:48:00.840
Okay, awesome, Well, thank you, Sally. I will we'll talk

943
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.920
soon and feel better and I will come see you

944
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.000
at Lafagatta sooner than later, I promise.

945
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.280
Thank you so much for having me. It's been awesome.

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Thanks all, Okay, take care Sally. Thank you so much,

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ladies and gentlemen.

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And as we close out, I just want to say

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thank you for joining me today and thank you to

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Sally for taking the time to share with us her expertise.

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And her adventures in the music world. And then look

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forward to our show next week. Stay tuned to find

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out who will be on next week's show.

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In the meantime, help me please to keep music alive

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in our world.