April 13, 2026

The Sound of Gold with guest Ken Weisberg

The Sound of Gold with guest Ken Weisberg
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Season 2

How do disc jockeys make their impact? It is not just luck. It is not just talrntTune in today to meet Ken Weisberg and find out!

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Hi, Welcome to the Sound of Gold. If you've been

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here before, welcome back. If you are new, Welcome. My

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show is focused on music, musicians, music venues, music teachers

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and music schools, and pretty much anything that has to

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do with music, which is always all around us. And

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if you think about it, there is everywhere we go,

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everywhere we are, there's always some sound in the environment

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that is a form of music. And music is a

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vibration we tune into for healing. It is sound. There

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are different sounds that help us feel healthier, happier, sadder,

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whatever it is. No matter who you are, where you

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are in the world, we are all able to tune

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into music. So for that matter, for that sake, I

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should say music is universally something that brings us all together,

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no matter what happens in the world. Music is the

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unity between us. There are so many different aspects of life,

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and there's so many different focuses other than music, and

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I want to let you know if you've not been

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here before, or even if you have, I am here

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in my home studio and in front of my piano.

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I have my cat Calli sitting on my bench with me.

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If you are viewing this, you can see us. If

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you are just listening, I'm letting you know. And so

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I'm so happy to be here with you today. I'm

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so glad you are here. And you know, there's been

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a little gap in time for I guess since the

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Super Bowl. And I'm not a huge football fan, although

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like everybody else it's part of our lives. We get

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involved in it, and my husband's very much into football.

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And it really got me thinking sports is really not

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that different than being a musician. And if you think

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about it, you know, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, but

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my focus today's football. There's a just there is a

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practice that goes into it. You can't just show up

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on the fields and play and have a great game.

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You have to work at it, just like me as

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a musician. As a piano player piano teacher. It's something

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I constantly work on and it's something i'm there's never

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any end to it. There's never any Okay, well, when

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I get to finishing that song, it's going to be great.

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I'll get onto something different. Well, it can go that way, However,

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I'm always wanting to better the song. And if you're

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a musician, if you are working on songs, or if

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you are in sports, there's always a better way. You

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always find a different way. Today, I have a very

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special guest on the show with me. And not only

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is he or talented when it comes to music and

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being having a little bit of the same same veins

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as a musician does and that passion, that purpose. He's

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also very much into sports. And my guess today welcome.

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I know you're sitting behind stage. Please join me, Ken,

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And why is it Ken Weisberg.

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Yes, yes, pleasure to listen. You're you wouldn't be the

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first person to mess that up, but that's all right.

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I've listened to s is you. It's there on screen.

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I figured it's easier if we just kind of have

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it in front of us. But I've been Weisenberg Weizelberg, Weisberger.

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I'm used to it. I've been around the block, I've

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heard it all. But thank you, Lisa, I'm sorry. It's

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absolutely a pleasure to be here.

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Yes, thank you so much. And Ken, there's so much

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of you. Are so talented in so many different ways.

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And I've used this reference before, like a tree with

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many branches. I think every human being is creative, and

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a lot of my listeners out there are maybe thinking

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about getting into the music world or the film world,

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or getting more involved in sports, and it's it's really

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a matter of stepping out of our own way and

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the limit. The limit, miss, if that's the right word,

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is what we do to ourselves. We limit ourselves so

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there's no like, oh, you can't do this kind of thing.

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It's always I remember my dad telling me life is

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like a schmortgage board. Try a little bit of everything

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and then you kind of know what you like best.

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But it doesn't mean that you can't you can't try it,

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So that's set aside. I really want to focus on

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you because this show is about you and it's such

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a pleasure to have you on here. We spoke a

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little bit over the past couple of weeks and you

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mentioned your your journey as a trumpet player, and so

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you know you better than I do. Please share with

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us a little bit about your journey and take us

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into your disc jockey years and then into sports.

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Absolutely. You know, it's kind of funny, Lisa. I was

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not that long ago having a conversation with both of

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my boys, one of whom is almost twenty four, the

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others almost had just for nineteen, and we were talking

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about career goals and you know, kind of what the

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future holds in store for him. And it dawned on

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me at that point in time. And sometimes self actualization

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takes a while to achieve, but it kind of dawned

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on me. Of all of the different things that I

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have done and been through during the course of my life,

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I would not describe myself as a terribly exciting person.

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My ideal evening, and my wife will attest to this too.

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Our ideal evening is sitting at home, relaxing and watching TV.

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I'm watching the ball game, generally on the big TV,

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and she's got her iPad watching she likes as reality shows.

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I can't really get into it, but me that's that's

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one of the most interesting aspects of my day is

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just chilling out at the end of it. But the

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interesting Yeah, the interesting thing is though, when when I

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think back to everything that I've done over the course

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of my life, the things that I have accomplished, the

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things that I've been involved in, even if it was

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for only a short amount of time, nothing illegal. By

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the way, book board, I'm going to that straight just

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in case you know, he's listening and watching. But everything

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that I've been involved in his his. It really is

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kind of a winding journey. There is no near path

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from point A to point B in my life. So

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you talked a little bit about the trumpet. It all

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started when I was in seventh grade and my father

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had played clarinet. He grew up on Miami Beach and

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to high school in Miami Beach and played the clarinet

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and the marching band. And my brother, who's nine years

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older than me, he followed through when he was in

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high school as well. I wasn't really into the clarinet,

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but I'm looking around. I'm like, well, let's see, I

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could do the drums, or I could do the trump Like, well,

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my mother probably doesn't want me to do the drums

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because I'll never get the end of it. Let me

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grab this trumpet thing and see how this goes. And

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I really enjoyed it for the three years that I

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was in junior high school in seventh, eighth, and ninth grade.

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I want to brag, but I did make it up

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to first seat, first trumpet for a fine week period

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before I focusing on other things like baseball and girls.

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But I threw me off my game a little bit.

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But I enjoyed playing the trumpet. I really did like it.

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It was a lot of fun. And there's part of

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me that looks back now in retrospect and says, hey,

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you know what, I kind of wish I had continued.

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Maybe not with trumpet per se, but maybe if I

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had picked up guitar, maybe if I had learned keyboard

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or something like that. But hindsight is twenty twenty, and

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the indiscretions in insanity of youth kind of pull you

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in different directions. What ended up happening is I ended

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up focusing more on playing baseball and like I said before, girls,

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and it kind of distracted me off from it. But

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but I've always been in awe of people that continued

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with their musical education and their their musical talents, and

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I know it's not too late to maybe try again,

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although I'm not sure. I haven't in me to play

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the trumpet, but maybe some other instruments.

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I'm going to interrupt you. I want to let you

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know that my my old I kid you not, my

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oldest student is presently ninety five years old. She's been

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with me for the past three years. So it's never

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too late.

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It's never she's She's got me by a few years.

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So okay, I mean that's that's its creation, and you

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know so, so maybe maybe somewhere out there, when when

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things slow down a little bit and time have a

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little bit more time, I'm to invest. I guess I do.

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If I kind of turned off the TV, I could

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pick up a guitars one of these days. But you know,

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I had, I had always admired. I have some really

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good friends who to this day still play musical instruments.

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I know one of them.

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We know one of them, Chuck Fiori, who is a fantastic,

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fantastic drummer. And it was a little under the weather today,

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so I hope he's feeling better if he watches this Chuck,

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hang in there.

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I have to reach out to.

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I have some other friends that that I grew up with,

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went to high school with, junior high, played baseball with,

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who continue to playing fans on weekends and you know,

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go around to do different gigs. And another friend who

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is also a drummer here in South Florida, and he's

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played with some major acts along the way, whether in studio,

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whether on tour with them. So I've always kind of

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been in awe of those people that they've they've kind

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of been able to continue. So while my trumpet skills

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didn't lead me to, you know, soloing in the Boston

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Pops or anything like that. Hey, you know, and sometimes

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things just don't go the way you thought maybe they

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would at one point in time. I have always and

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you and I have discussed this via email and some

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conversation along the way. Music has always been an integral

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part of my life because it is the soundtrack to everything.

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I think you hit it great in your introduction when

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you said that it's it's an emotional release, it's a

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state of being, it's a comfort blanket. And what that

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did is it kind of always my interest in music

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and in my interest in being a little bit of

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a natural entertainer led me to want to pursue a

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career in radio. Now this this was in the house

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and day as a radio back in you know, we'll

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say last century before you know before Consolidation and a

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lot of other things happened along the way to make

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what was once a fantastic industry into an absolute boy.

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I don't want to use the word cesspool, but radio

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and ownership had it hadn't been kind to it over

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the years. But I wanted to be that slick talking DJ,

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the guy that comes on is at the top of

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the hour, we're gonna have another digit. And I pursued

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that by majoring in communications in college and working, eventually

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starting out as an intern in a couple of radio

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stations up in Orlando and eventually landing an overnight shift

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at an oldies station. And music to me was always

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about the different times and places in life, and here

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was an opportunity. While I couldn't be on stage making music,

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I could be behind a microphone talking about it and

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introducing it and learning about it and understanding the thought

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process behind the song development and how people came up

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with it, and so it was. It was a great

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passion of mine, and it was a time and a

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place that I'll always cherished. But again, you know, like

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I said, a linear path from getting to point A

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to point B doesn't doesn't always line up.

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Right. Well, let me let me hold hold that thought,

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let me interrupt you from it. So I'm thinking you

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and I may may not be too far apart in age.

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Are you Are you able for our guests out there,

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listeners out there that are in the same generation that

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we are. Are you able to share what radio station

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you were you were hosting?

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Sure, this was at a station no longer exists, of course,

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but it was cool one O five point nine wu

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O c l in working. Okay, so this is an

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old station. And yes, I'm I'm a I'm a gen

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x or and graduate to high school back in the eighties,

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nineteen eighties. It's specific.

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So we're the same age then, Okay, there.

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We're both twenty eight years old.

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Perfect. Wait, man, I'm twenty.

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Five, twenty five Okay, I held back a couple of years. Okay,

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Well anyway, yeah, I was never good at math, very

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good at writing, but not too good at math.

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So its all about music.

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Almost twenty six. Anyways, so I worked at the station

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when I was in my early twenties, and a funny

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antidote is that the program director, you know, he said

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to me, listen, I've been listening to your your demo

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tapes and they're good and you're learning, and so I'm

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gonna let you do the overnight shift. And I figured, Okay,

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I can't screw that up too badly. Right, nobody was listening.

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I think the only people listening to me, even though

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we had decent ratings at that hour of the night.

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My primary listeners were the guys at the Orange Any

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Water and Sewer department.

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Because it was in the middle of the night, in

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the middle of.

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The night and there's nobody else up, and the occasional

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drunken person who thought they were calling another radio station,

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or the one or two times there were just these

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these people that called up and had no clue who

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they were calling. I don't know what they were on

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that night they were having, but it meet for interesting

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recordings that you can kind of throw out there on

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the air along the way too.

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But let me ask you this for listeners out there,

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and this is probably a question I can answer too.

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But again this is about you. For listeners out there

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that are wanting to get into broadcasting, that are wanting

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to connect and maybe have a radio show or work

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with music, tell us a little bit about your journey

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and how you made the connections and how you made

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it possible that you could do that.

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So, thinking back, what I actually started out with was

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I transferred up to UCF. That's I graduated from in

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as a junior. Having done a couple of years here

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getting my associate's degree, I went on to my bachelors up.

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It kind of all started with doing an internship. I

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had always also been a fan of talk radio as

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well too, So you didn't find me. You didn't find

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many eighteen nineteen year olds that were big into talk radio,

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but there were a couple of hosts here in South

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Florida on ME and radio that were absolutely fantastic, funny,

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humor is very so I managed to get an internship

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that first six weeks after one semester ended and the

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summer semester started at w IOD, which was at that

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time of powerhouse and news talk station. And then I

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did that simply by kind of writing to them, and

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that's when he actually had us send the letter into them.

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And then fortunately a friend of the family knew the

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general manager at the station, so he hooked me up

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with the interne person in charge. I was able to

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do that, so then by the time I got up

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to Orlando, the first station I actually interned at was

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a CHR forty station XL one oh six point seven,

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and I was on as an intern there. I also

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kind of worked. You know, intern, you're doing everything. I mean,

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you're helping at the time, literally cut tape recorded onto karts.

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We hadn't quite gotten into CDs yet. You're going around

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and handing out free samples at a remote or whatever

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the case may be. I liked it there and it

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was a lot of fun, but I thought that I

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might have a better chance of eventually getting some kind

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of air shift by going over to COOL. At the time,

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one of the guys who was mid morning show producer

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over there was a classmate of mine, Funny and yeah,

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and so he said, now I'll get you an introduction

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to the program director. So start out as an intern.

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Then started doing some Saturday night stuff and helping out

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with that. We had an all request show, so it

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was answering phones and a little bit of my time

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here and there, and when I had some downtime, I

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just go into the back studio, take some cards and

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on some music, do some recordings, and eventually, you know,

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the program director said, okay, I'll give you a shot

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to do some overnights. Okay, I could do that. I

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probably wasn't as good as I wanted to be, you know,

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especially when you're first starting. Your hands are shaking as

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you're trying to do what I did. Accidentally one time

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shut off the entire radio station we had every every

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three hours, I think it was. You kind of had

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to check the transmitters and do the reading. And I

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forgot what happened. I mean, I think I had to

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go over here and switch out one we had switched

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to CDs by then switched one CD and the other one.

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I like this, I'm like, oh, I got to get

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my readings. It's three oh five. I'm already late. But

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the beat beep and I hit the button that powered

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down the transmitter. All of a sudden it starts, Oh

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oh god. I'm like, well, it would have been a

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nice career in radio. But fortunately I started pressing a

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bunch of other buttons and all of a sudden, I

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saw the power levels go right back up, and you're.

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Probably sitting there sweating, like kind of like the intervention.

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Oh it was. It was full on panic, Lisa. I

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was like, I could just leave and pretend that I

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don't know and never answer my phone again if they

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call looking for me. But then I then I let

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logic sin in a little bit. I'm like, m program director, engineer,

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general manager. They're probably all sleeping. It's two o'clock in

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the morning on a Saturday. They're not up anyway. Everything

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will exist fine, and so fortunately it crisis was averted.

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But that that was an experience. That's here. It is,

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you know, thirty years later, and I'm still that's still

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dwelling on it.

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Well, maybe that had to happen so you have a

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story to tell.

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Could be everything just that the radio gods just kind

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of lined up, and you know, they're they're a little

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little turmoil my way. But I was able to survive.

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And that's the key thing.

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I had taken classes from some big, big well I

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don't want to say names out there, but I had

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taken some big time classes from some big time celebrities,

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and I'll never forget something that was said in my

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class and it said it and he said, it's not

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about your success. It's not about being at the top.

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What matters and what people want to hear most is

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about the journey that got you to where you are. Yeah,

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And it's true. It's all about the.

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Story exactly exactly. It's all about you know. It kind

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of goes back to the conversation that I had with

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my kids and the side winding, snakelike path to go

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from here to here to hear to hear to where

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I am now. And it really, you know, it kind

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of started with the whole radio thing because what that

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also did for me is, you know, it's kind of

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like actually seeing the proverbial sausage get made once behind

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the scenes. I mean, when we were kids and we

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heard you turned on the radio. I mean, whether you're

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sitting in your room at night doing homework and you're

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in your car, that was all about that. The dj're like, man,

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I wish I could be like that. Then you get

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behind the scenes and I have to laugh a little bit.

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But most of the radio people that I came across

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that I worked with or had just met through the

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industry along the way. We're just not the bright, happy,

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cheery people that you heard on the radio once that

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microphone went off. Oh the things that came out of

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their metal. But you know what, though, it formulates an

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idea in your mind and you think, and I had

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the foresight to think, all right, I like this radio thing,

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but do I want to be that guy twenty years

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from now? And these guys were all, you know, twenty

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thirty year radio veterans, and right, be that guy? Do

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I want to go, you know, be here in Orlando

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for two years, then go out to you know, some

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po dunk place, because that's how you started in radio,

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especially back then you asked how they get started? What

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would somebody do back in that day, what you had

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to do if you really wanted to kind of launch

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your career, you had to go work in some rinky

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dink market in order just to claw your way up,

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hopefully into a top ten market. And the only place

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that I wanted to be a morning show DJ, you

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know that good Morning guy Hong Kong, you know sound

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the fact in the only place that really kind of

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gave me even a slight whiff was a place in Farmington,

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New Mexico, now I would challenge you to tell me

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where Farmington, New Mexico is, I didn't.

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Yeah, it's it's.

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The Corners region of New Mexico. So when that was

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my only prospect, and I had been sending out tapes

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and resumes to stations everywhere pick a state, I probably

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sent a resume to it. But the more time went

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on and the more I realized that this had the

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potential to be something that I wasn't going to like.

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I like staying in one place. I like traveling, but

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I like coming home at the end of course. And

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with radio, if you can't get into being a nomad,

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you know there are for every for every Howard Stern,

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there are thousands and thousands of nomads moving from place

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to place to place to place. And if you like

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stability and if you want to potentially start a family,

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being in radio probably isn't the way to go. So

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once I said I saw the sausage being made, I said,

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I don't think I'm gonna get this sausage anymore. And

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so what ended up happening was that I got out

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of it and came back down to South Florida and

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kind of kicked around and looked for something to do,

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and then eventually wound up I'm still trying to figure

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this out. Getting into the advertising business and spending six

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years in New York or just under six years.

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Nice.

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Yeah. I had met with some friends of the family

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whose son worked in New York for ESPN and in

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their sales department. Advertising sales asked me if I thought

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about getting into being in media planning and media buying

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and advertising, and I went, well, no, I hadn't really

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thought about it, but I had nothing else going on, and.

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He was calling to you.

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Yeah, And that's what kind of began a thirty year

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journey through through the advertising industry, working up in New

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York and then eventually coming back down to South Florida

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because I just got tired of shoveling snow, is what

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I told people. But you know, my family was and

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everything like that. So that ended up being the bulk

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of what I did during the course of my career

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and what I was doing here. I worked for a

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company located in the Fort Lauderdale area called pool Pros Builders.

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We're a custom pool contractor. Started doing marketing for them

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about a year ago. I love the local business. We're

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an expanding local business, which is fantastic. And now I'm

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just recently got moved into a general manager physician of

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the business.

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So congratulations, congratulations. I want to interrupt you, you know,

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I want to congratulate you, because how would I say

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this As a human being, we are also creative, and

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I think a lot of people out there and I'm

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just I'm speculating, So forgive me if I'm over speculating.

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I think a lot of people out there. Let's say,

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like in my mom and dad's generation, like they had

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one job and they slept with that job and then

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and that's what they had you, and then they had

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to go through it and you know, prepare for retirement

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and then retire and that was like the mindset of

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our parents' generation and for me, and it seems like

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for you too. You kind of saw within yourself that

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there is more to just doing more to you than

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just being that one thing for everybody. And I'm congratulating

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you because a lot of people are afraid to expand

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their horizons by stepping out of their box to say,

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you know what, I think I want to go color

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with that crayon today instead of using the same cry

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And I've been using all these years, and it's okay.

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It's okay to step out of your box and out

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of your comfort zone because that's how you grow, and

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that's why we're here as human beings.

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And I'll tell you something interesting, Lisa, that that is

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a great summation of what I've done every time. I

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almost did it subconsciously. I didn't miss true. Yeah, I

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didn't this necessarily set out to do all of these things.

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00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:09.279
They just kind of happened organically. And yeah, you just

468
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.279
don't know where life is going to take you if

469
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:14.599
nothing else. To your point, that's exactly our parents and

470
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.039
our grandparents' generation. They went to work for thirty thirty

471
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:20.400
five years, they retired, they got their pension, they got

472
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.400
their gold watch, they sold their house in New York

473
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.279
or Massachusetts or wherever. They got their little house condo

474
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.640
here in South Florida and spent their golden years sitting

475
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:32.160
by the pool.

476
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:38.799
So true. We have a common friend, Chuck, and I

477
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:41.160
was good friends with his dad. And I remember his

478
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.480
dad saying to me, and he had like a gold

479
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.839
album like hanging on his wall. And I remember saying, oh,

480
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:49.640
that's great, I'll probably never get that. And he looked

481
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.240
at me and he was almost like like firmly, and

482
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.279
I'll never forget this feeling. He goes. Don't say that

483
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.480
he goes. You don't know what's going to happen. Like

484
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.960
when he he shared with me some of his stories

485
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.720
and some of I mean, he was very famous, but

486
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.599
you know, he didn't get on the path to be famous.

487
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.559
It was kind of like life just took him there.

488
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.920
It happens, and it's a beautiful thing. And again I'm

489
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.960
mentioning like, don't limit yourself for my audiences out there,

490
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.920
don't limit yourself and myself I'm included and for you,

491
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.039
like we have to step out of our own way.

492
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:30.079
And now in your life, you're you are focusing on football,

493
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.599
which is not a lot different than the musician because

494
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:37.480
there's so much intricacies and dedication and commitment and discipline

495
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.240
that goes into that goes into all sports and all musicianship.

496
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.559
It's not just something you wake up and Okay, I'm

497
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:45.960
just gonna go like what are the plant?

498
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:52.079
Okay? Oh aimen to that. So to your point, about

499
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.440
twenty about twenty five years ago, when I moved back

500
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.799
down to South Florida from New York, I was looking

501
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:04.519
for something to kind of you as a hobby, just

502
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:10.039
to keep from sitting there goun they. So about three

503
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:13.240
months after I came back to South Florida, I met

504
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.680
my wife or who is now my wife, and then

505
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.200
I was sitting in her apartment one day at ten.

506
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.640
She lived down in Coral Gables, so just south of Miami,

507
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.119
and I saw an article in the Herald. This is

508
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.440
back when people read newspapers. Saw on our article on

509
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.240
the Miami Herald that said that the Greater Miami Athletic

510
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:36.319
Conference needed football referees. Went oh, okay, I've watched enough football.

511
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:39.799
I kind of figure out and false darm It goes,

512
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:41.279
see what this is all about. So I went to

513
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.200
a meeting and I'm like, okay, I think this is

514
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.480
kind of interesting. Maybe I want to get into this.

515
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.279
So I did a year down there, and then we

516
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.720
eventually moved up to Broward County and so the Fort

517
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.160
Lauderdale Arey and I came on up to Broward County

518
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:01.119
and it was just I was hooked instantly, because here's

519
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.880
the thing about it. To your point, you know, everybody

520
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.319
looks at the athletes on the field, and the athletes

521
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.400
are the ones that the fans are in the stands

522
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.839
paying to see, totally understand that they hone their craft.

523
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:18.160
They're playing whatever the sport is, football, baseball, soccer, lacrosse, curling.

524
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.960
I love that, by the way, I got hooked on

525
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.720
that in the Olympics. It's but all of those sports

526
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.400
and they hone their craft and that's what they work on.

527
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.079
But what a lot of people don't realize is that

528
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.559
without officials you can't play these games because somebody needs

529
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.480
to control the chaos. But at the same time, you

530
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.920
can't as an official just step out on the field

531
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.640
and think that you know what's going on. It's very

532
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.960
easy criticize officials. Ah, that call was terrible, you stank

533
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:50.279
got We've all been there. I do it too. But

534
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.680
dedication the practice time it did remind me a lot

535
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.759
of when I was playing the trumpet. To the analogy

536
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.240
that you make that it's musicians go through the same thing.

537
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.079
I have spent a lot of free time, downtime practicing

538
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.880
that trumpet. To try to get better at it. I

539
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.680
have to be out on the field, practicing the officiating

540
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.880
and practicing mechanics, going to the gym to try to

541
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.440
keep up. I mean, I don't know the last time

542
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.599
you ran with like a seventeen or eighteen year old

543
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.559
that was down but in ain't easy.

544
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:28.759
But it's all tell us a little bit about for

545
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:33.119
those out there that are not sports into sports, tell

546
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.400
us a little bit more about what an official is

547
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:36.680
and what your role is.

548
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:44.000
Absolutely so they're often called referees. In baseball, they're called umpires.

549
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.920
Your role is essentially to make sure that the game

550
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.440
is played within the rules, to make sure that the

551
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:55.200
players conduct themselves in a manner that aligns with the

552
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.400
rules of the game. And sports conductor for an orchestra

553
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.400
like the conductor for an orchestra. That's a great analogy

554
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.200
because you have to make sure every part is moving

555
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.039
the way that it needs to, whether it's making sure

556
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.400
that the woodwinds come in when they need to or

557
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.640
when the brass comes in when it needs to and

558
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.920
the percussion sounds just the right. With the conductor, you

559
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.799
need to make sure that the coaches are behaving themselves,

560
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.480
that the players are following the rules, that the ancillary people,

561
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.400
the photographers and everybody they're off the field and out

562
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.160
of the way. So you know, some people might laugh

563
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:34.880
a little bit, but there really is a bit of

564
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:39.000
an analogy behind just what you said there. Where you're

565
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.200
conductor only you wear black and white stripes and you

566
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.519
get a whistle and a flag. We have flags we

567
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:48.759
throw those people do something wrong. But I think a

568
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.920
lot of the disciplines that I learned from, whether it

569
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.599
was over time in the band, back many years ago,

570
00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:02.279
working in radio, timing everything out your record, your back cells,

571
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.559
you know, your intros to each of the records, making

572
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.720
sure you hit the marks and the posts and that

573
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.880
everything runs the way that it does. There's a certain

574
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.680
discipline that goes into all of that, and that really

575
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.240
it does kind of align to your point about being

576
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.759
a conductor. I mean, it's all about making sure you

577
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.960
know every single part and make sure that it's running

578
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.000
the way it is. And to kind of take that

579
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:33.039
analogy one step further, in every sport there are obviously

580
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.160
multiple officials on the field at any given time. You

581
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.079
can't really do it all by yourself. I guess maybe tennis,

582
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.000
you know, because you're just sort of sitting in a chair,

583
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:48.079
that's why. But there is a crew chief on every

584
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.519
crew okay, And so that you talk about a conductor,

585
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.759
that's what I am on the crew chief, so I

586
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.519
have to make sure not only are all the players

587
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.640
and all the coaches and auxiliary staff doing what they

588
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.839
need to do, I have to make sure each of

589
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.160
the other six people on my crew are also doing

590
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.079
what they're supposed to be doing, and leading the meetings

591
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.519
and the development and the practice sessions to make sure

592
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:19.559
that it's all finely tuned, finally tuned machine. So that

593
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.360
music analogy isn't quite as crazy as it sounds when

594
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.400
you put it into that context. So really, it really

595
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.079
it's a craft, just like music. It's a craft.

596
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.800
It's a discipline. It's a discipline, it's a commitment. It's

597
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.480
it's not something like I've mentioned a couple times already.

598
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.400
It's not something you just wake up and do. There's

599
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.880
a flow. There becomes a flow to a consistency. And

600
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.840
I've learned that. And I'm sorry to interrupt you, but

601
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.480
I know growing up. I remember as a young child,

602
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.079
I'm like, oh, yeah, when I learned this, then I

603
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.639
can just go on to something else. And my dad,

604
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.239
my dad's no longer with us, but my dad would

605
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.719
send me, Lisa, you will always be learning your whole

606
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:04.960
entire life. I'm like really, you mean when I get

607
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.519
to twelfth grade, like I'm not learning, like I still

608
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.000
have to learn, and it's like, yeah, My point is

609
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.159
is that what I've learned in the consistency of having

610
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:22.039
the discipline to make the commitment to focus on something anything,

611
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.519
and everyone is talented. It's what you invest your time

612
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:31.880
into to grow into. It is that consistency grows and

613
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.679
you become that squeaky wheel becomes like like WD forty.

614
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.000
It just makes it flow easier and just you become

615
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.800
better and better without even trying because you don't even

616
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.920
think about it anymore because you know your role.

617
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.239
Yes, absolutely, and that's what it's all about. But at

618
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:55.079
the same point, you need to continue to evolve in

619
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.840
to learn, not just you know, whether it's issue, where

620
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:02.199
it's music, it's life in general. Right, If you stop

621
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.960
learning and you stop wanting to learn, and you stop

622
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.360
having the desire to learn, oh man, you might as

623
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.440
well just give up and lock yourself not come out.

624
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:17.039
I can't understand why somebody when I was younger, and

625
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.360
my mom to this day she's almost eighty seven, loves

626
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.440
to tell this story to anybody that will listen to

627
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.559
when you were younger, you used to go to the

628
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.239
bookshelf and grab the encyclopedia and sit there and read

629
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.960
it for hours on end. She's not wrong, but I've

630
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:38.760
always had that lifelong knowledge, lifelong first knowledge a lot

631
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.400
better term. But what it's also done is it's allowed

632
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.840
me to have a head full of completely useless knowledge

633
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.719
almost anything, including music. And you know, it's funny. You

634
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.559
and I talked about this a little bit in some

635
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.599
of our communication ahead of the today's show. One of

636
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.400
the things that I love the most about music is

637
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:03.440
just the artists and the lyrics and the rhythms and

638
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.679
the melodies and everything that goes into a song, even

639
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.599
the most basic, you know, let's call it instrumental dance hit,

640
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:15.960
right up to the most complex rock anthems, to the

641
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.760
sonatas and sweets and everything that goes into classical music.

642
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:25.159
There is something that magical about the way all of

643
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.920
that's put together. So one of the things that I did, now,

644
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.039
again let's keep in mind, this is the early nineties,

645
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.639
this is before the internet, and it's two o'clock in

646
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.559
the morning, and I had nothing else to do. All

647
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.159
we had in the studio, I kid you, now, it

648
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.960
was a little black and White TV, so basically me

649
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.360
and ABC World News. Now overnight, we had a book

650
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.880
by Joel Whitburn, who was a writer for Billboard magazine

651
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:53.159
and spent many many years with them. At that point,

652
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.800
had we had a book in the studio of every

653
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.599
song that had cracked the Hot one hundred from nineteen

654
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.400
fifty five to nineteen ninety. I must have read that

655
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:08.639
book cover to cover a million times. And what it

656
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.960
allowed me to do is be able to tell you,

657
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.800
probably within a year or so of when a song

658
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:23.400
came out, who's sang it, and approximately the position that

659
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.159
it hit on the Hot one hundred. So, like I said,

660
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:29.119
I mean a had full of useless musical knowledge, but

661
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.679
it was always great because going through time, I mean,

662
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:35.559
you heard a song and you could go look it

663
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.440
up and it was It was cool too because it

664
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.440
kind of gave you a little bit of detail on

665
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.760
the song of music and who the performers were in

666
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.119
the different things, the genre and everything.

667
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.079
So it wasn't wasted information. It was it was knowledge

668
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:52.119
for you.

669
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.079
Yeah, and then it was something.

670
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.840
More to talk about. And tried to have this conversation

671
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.679
with my husband the other day, like it's well, it

672
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.400
was a deeper conversation on a different subject, but kind

673
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.440
of the same as to you just become broader, like

674
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.960
a broader human being, because then you can relate to

675
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.639
different people of different talents, and you might not know

676
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.719
exactly what they know, but you can generalize and have

677
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.639
a relative conversation in understanding. And that's what it's all

678
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.239
about it. I don't think anything we learn is ever useless.

679
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.920
We could always apply it or reference it in some way.

680
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.400
Well, I'll tell you it helps me when a few

681
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.000
pub trivia nights here and there, so I'm not go

682
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:38.400
live and I did, Okay, But it really is because

683
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.679
here's the other thing about having all that information and

684
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.880
knowing it is that, aside from sitting there watching Jeopardy

685
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.400
and thinking that you could do it, they can do it.

686
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.400
Ain't that easy. It does help people if you know

687
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.480
something and they're in a particular situation and you say, well,

688
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.800
you know what I had once heard that X, Y

689
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.039
and Z will happen if you do this, and then

690
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.000
it kind of pertains to their situation. In fact, I mean,

691
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.679
the funny thing about it is, after when I first

692
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.119
started dating my wife and introduced to her family and

693
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.519
her uh, Uh, my wife's names, asked her mother, So

694
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.719
what you think about Ken? And her response and her

695
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:25.480
New York accent was always very knowledgeable, So you know,

696
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.199
knowing stuff has its privileges.

697
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.400
It does. It does. Now I want to play a

698
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.920
little bit because it's I'm in my second season, and

699
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.039
I promise some of my fans that I would play

700
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.400
a little bit during my show before I do that,

701
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.480
because I know you're gonna you're gonna stay with me

702
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.840
here for a few minutes, Can you please share with

703
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:49.239
our audiences out there? You're an official for football, you

704
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:54.159
are in Brower County. How do listeners out there connect

705
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.119
with you if they want to learn more about what

706
00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:00.440
you do or how to get involved with you and

707
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.519
and what you do.

708
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.440
Absolutely, we have a website. It's the brow It's Browered

709
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:15.880
Football Officials Association website, and on that you have anything

710
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.480
that you might want to know about becoming high school

711
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:24.199
football official, anything that you want to know about getting

712
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.559
involved in it, things that you would need, equipment that

713
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.800
you would need, everything like that. So prower Football Officials, Yes,

714
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:38.519
it's Proward Football Officials, sorry, not association. And then you

715
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.440
you can learn what you need to and there's a

716
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.079
you know, if you have an email, you can go

717
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.719
ahead and put it into the email address. And I'm

718
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.559
on the board of directors there, so I pick on

719
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:49.840
the website as well too.

720
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.280
Yeah to know, I would like to play for you

721
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.639
and my listeners out there, a little something. Music is.

722
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.719
As we mentioned in our show today, I didn't wake

723
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.480
up and just play piano. I've been playing a really

724
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.559
long time and I can't explain it. I'm also a

725
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:16.559
music teacher. I don't teach what I play for the

726
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.599
fact that I don't have any sheet music, so I

727
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:21.760
kind of pick up the energy from where you're at.

728
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.239
I'm here in my home studio. I'm picking up the

729
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.519
energy here and I'm just going to play a little something.

730
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.880
It is Monday. It is the end of the day

731
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.920
here in the East Coast of the United States, and

732
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.840
even if you're on the West Coast it's midday, it's

733
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.400
still Monday. And wherever you're tuning in from in Europe,

734
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.719
wherever you are, just sit back and relax. If you're driving,

735
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.880
don't close your eyes. If you are in a space

736
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:48.679
in a place and you want to close your eyes,

737
00:42:48.760 --> 00:43:25.159
go for it.

738
00:43:25.800 --> 00:44:20.360
The h m hm h M hm.

739
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:29.880
Hm hm h.

740
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:34.320
Ken.

741
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.599
Thank you so much for being here with us today.

742
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.880
It's been a pleasure having you on. And yeah, to

743
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:45.599
our listeners out there, sports and being a musician, there's

744
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.280
not a lot of difference. And and yes, you're you're

745
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.079
being an official is like being the conductor of an

746
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:57.000
orchestra and I love that what you do. And and

747
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.239
for listeners out there, please tell us one more time

748
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.519
how to get in touch with you through the website.

749
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:07.519
Yeah, Prowurdfootballofficials dot com. We have a contact form there

750
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.519
so you can you can head over there and find

751
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.920
a way to leave a message. And by the way,

752
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.559
the best part of some of the games I've done,

753
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:19.039
Lisa March at halftime. They say that again, I said,

754
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.800
the best part of some of the games that I've

755
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.480
done over the years has been the marching band at halftime.

756
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.760
Marching band, It's the best part of high school football.

757
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:33.920
I love that. In closing, can please if you don't mind,

758
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.039
do you have any last minute inspirational words for our

759
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.400
listeners that you know are thinking about getting involved in

760
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.440
either football or music or just something different.

761
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:48.679
Follow your passion, follow your heart, don't be afraid to

762
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:52.199
try something different. If I was afraid to try something different,

763
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:58.000
I wouldn't have wound uphish eating football and enjoy life

764
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.519
and have a past, work hard from nine to five,

765
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:05.519
but strive to be the best you can. Not only

766
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.400
at that, but whatever you strive to do on the

767
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.119
outside and try different things, life will be much much

768
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.039
better and more fulfilling if you do that.

769
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:19.679
Absolutely. And last night a conversation I had with my

770
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.000
husband it was what is your escape? Like, what is

771
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.960
your escape? And I'm like, oh, well, it's my piano.

772
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.360
I play piano, right, So we all need a healthy,

773
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:34.519
quote unquote healthy, healthy escape because life can be challenging. Yes,

774
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.320
my life, you know so. But we don't want to

775
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:41.000
live on that on that street where it's challenge all

776
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.400
the time. We want to enjoy our life.

777
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:42.920
Yes.

778
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.559
So there's about one minute left to the show for

779
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.039
my listeners, thank you for joining us today. Tune in

780
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:52.559
next week. I'm not going to tell you who my

781
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.519
guest is, but I have another fabulous guest next week,

782
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.280
So you got to tune in then next week at

783
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.159
four pm Eastern time, one pm specific time, if I

784
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.000
can say that right, specific time, specific time. Yeahs enough,

785
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.239
but can thank you so much we will be in touch,

786
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.480
we will talk and and everybody else out there, have

787
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.800
a bus a day, be safe wherever you are. Thank

788
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.960
you for tuning in smile just because it's easy and

789
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.960
you can. And there's always something to be thankful for always,

790
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.719
And let music live on through all of us. And

791
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:33.280
let's keep music alive by keeping it real, right, keep

792
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.199
it real, that's right. Thank you so much, everyone,