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Sept. 28, 2026

The Sound of Gold with The Fun Music Company with Januce Tuck.

The Sound of Gold with The Fun Music Company with Januce Tuck.

Who said music theory is boring? Tune in today, where we focus on learning music with fun in the title! If you are a student of music or a music teacher, let's have fun learning and teaching. Tune in today to learn a newer perspective on learning how to read and understand music theory.

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Hi there. Welcome to the Sound of Gold. It is

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so great to be back on the show with you.

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And I am here in my home studio in Palm

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Beach Gardens, Florida. It is presently Monday afternoon, whether you're

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watching this live or watching this recorded. And I'm also

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sitting here with my cat Callie. So if by chance

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you see me like waving my hand, I'm just sometimes

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there's cat hair and that's just how it goes. So

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if you have a cat, I know you understand. And

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if you don't, That's that's just how it goes. So,

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you know, we I love doing this show. And in

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addition to this, I'm also a piano music teacher and

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I'm also a composer. And being that it's Monday afternoon

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after for some of us, a very relaxing weekend or

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a very busy weekend, sometimes a Monday or any day

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can be a little bit overwhelming sometimes. And so I

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invite you, before I get into my guests and talking

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more about music, I invite you to sit back and

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relax just for a couple minutes while I play a

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Monday melody, a little Sonatina.

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Sonatina Thank you for watching. Thank you for watching.

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Thank you. Thank you for listening. And that was just

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a Monday afternoon melody from me. And yeah, you know,

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I think not only think, but I know and I

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feel that music touches us no matter where we are

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in the world. Music unites us. And whether you play

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an instrument or thinking about playing an instrument, whether you

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teach music, no matter where you are, When it comes

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to music, music is always all around. And sound is music.

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We take it for granted. We go outside. We hear

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the birds. We hear the leaves blow in the wind.

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We hear the tapping of the twinkling of the rain.

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And it is all so healing. And it is just

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such a privilege to have this radio show and to

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focus on music and how it heals us and how

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we inspire each other. I have personally been playing piano

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for over 45 years, not to give my age away.

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I started when I was five. And I've been teaching

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music for over 20 years and teaching music theory, piano.

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And it is truly an honor and a blessing to

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have wonderful connections in the industry when it comes to music.

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And we inspire each other. We're always... No matter how

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many years I've learned or I've played music, I'm still

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taking lessons. And I still believe being the student as

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well as the teacher. And today I would like to

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introduce my very special guest who is tuning in. I'm

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here in Florida, United States. My guest today is tuning

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in all the way from South Australia, Miss Janice Tuck.

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Please join me.

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Hello Lisa, it's so lovely to be with you today

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and thank you so much for having me on your show.

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I'm so honoured to be here.

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Absolutely, absolutely. And for those that are tuning in live

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and watching us, it is presently Monday where it is

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presently Tuesday morning there.

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It is very early and it's a wonderful, wonderful time

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of the morning here in Australia. We've got the beautiful

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sunrise and I got to hear your beautiful music to

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the sunrise.

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Gorgeous and so bright.

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Now, is it a different season there right now? What

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It's spring, so I love spring, don't you? Yes. And

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our students are in spring too, so it's a beautiful

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time of life as well as a time of the season, right?

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Yes, it has new beginnings. Spring represents.

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Yes, yes. I've had many mentors in my life and–

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And seasons of life are such an amazing part.

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It is. And here we are on the East Coast.

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We're in fall. Yes. And I don't know, maybe going

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too deep, but in reflection to what you say, yeah,

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life has its seasons. And we as humans, we go

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through our seasons. And it's lovely to have themes and

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it's lovely to, look at our seasons from a different,

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different perspective as far as not just the weather changing,

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but really how we're changing and how music changes and,

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and how color changes. And it's just beautiful, but set

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that aside. I'm so sorry.

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Absolutely. Sorry, Lisa. We have, I'm so.

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Excited to have you on the show. I was, there's

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so many questions I have for you. And before even,

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get into those questions just share with our audience again

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there are those that are listening to us there are

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those that are watching us share with us a little

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bit about your musical journey and what you bring to

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the table as far as what you share worldwide oh.

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Thank you so much lisa you know it was about

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i suppose 10 years into my teaching and you know

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at the time i thought i would had it all

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together i thought i was doing well you know how

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life hits us and um And the challenges come from nowhere. Well,

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I was one of those people that said, I can

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do it all. I can do it all myself. You know,

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the whole shebang, the whole thing. And I thought everything

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was going so great. But then one day out of

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the blue, the playground, it was the end of a

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school day and I was just waving goodbye to all

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the students. And this really lovely, well-meaning parent, the most

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beautiful lady who you wouldn't expect. And she said, Janice,

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are you okay? you look really tired. Are you okay?

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off and I thought everything was fine. But it really,

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really made me think and to the point that I

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went back home and looked at the mirror and I realised, actually,

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are you fine, Janice?

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And we do this self-talk to ourselves sometimes, don't we?

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And we don't even realise it's crept up on us.

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And so then I started thinking, well, maybe I'm not

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as fine as I think I am. And it was

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only a few months later that I actually went to

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the doctor and the truth was that not everything was

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as fine as I thought. I wasn't as in control

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as I thought, you know, challenges did come. And I

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had to make a few changes. And that means I

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had to put things in place that meant I didn't

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have to do it all myself anymore. I had to

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have prepared things and resources that might not have been

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exactly how I wanted, but it certainly did mean that

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I had a foundation to work from. And that meant

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I could take the time every night away from school

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and I could refresh and, you know, I could rebuild.

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I could recompose myself. Yes. I could come back feeling

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like I'm thriving rather than declining. Okay.

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Well, first of all, for my audience, I have cats.

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And so it seems like every time I have a show,

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I have an orange tabby who you may not see.

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But my orange tabby feels like it's time for him

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to talk. So if you hear meowing in the background,

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he's just walking around complaining.

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a beautiful thing. It makes our life so much more natural,

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doesn't it? It does. Because that's exactly what we all–

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I think every great woman has a cat in her life.

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Yes, I agree. I agree. So I have questions. So

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before you were teaching, Janice, being that our focus is music. Yes.

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Were you– did you have a childhood– growing up with

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music and family and playing music?

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Well, my favourite people in the world are music teachers.

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They were so kind to me. And I have no

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music in my family. I'm the only musician and I'm

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so proud of that. I have a go-getter dad. Yes.

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And he is a wonderful inspiration and he was a

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very big businessman. And so I had to find something different.

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And so music was my thing. And it was wonderful

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because he would learn from me. And now I hope

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my daughter can do that for me. Yes, yes. I'm

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learning from her all the time, yes.

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So music was my place that I went to to

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be me.

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Music.

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And I had so many mentors along the way. You

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know how they say... When the student is ready, the

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teacher will emerge.

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Yes.

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That's exactly how things worked for me in my life.

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As I was ready, the right teacher came at the

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right time and the kindness came at the right time.

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And I'm just so grateful for every time I've had

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that opportunity.

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I'm so sorry. He feels the need to chat with you.

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He's so lovely. I don't know the hell series. He's

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a character.

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So people often say to me, Janice, what are you

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really into? And I say, like, what I'm really into

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with all this and what I've learned over the years

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and what I would love to teach myself to say

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to my younger self now as that little girl growing

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up and going through school and going through music. I mean,

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music was the place that I could go to for,

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getting out of school, you know. Yes. So I could

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go to the special concert and we could go on

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the special camp and all those things. And I say

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these days, you know, we have to learn to look

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after ourselves. Music teachers give so much of themselves. And

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the one thing that we need to have and the

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one thing I've witnessed and the reason why I do

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what I do now is because I want to preserve health.

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Health. I'm in the health business here, you know, because

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health is, is so important alongside time of course I'm

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obsessed by time as well sure we all are.

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But it's the mental and physical health um and that's

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that's what we're really talking about here and so you

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know I ran around for years and I went okay

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let's find out you know driven Janice yes what what

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are those um things that you know top performers such

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as yourself Lisa what what do they do to thrive

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and and so I went through this stage where I

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interviewed everyone I could and and learned and I became

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this treasure hunter and I wanted idea after idea and

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and what I found is it comes down to five

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things you know top performers and coaches and mentors that

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I've met through the years it came down to five

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things and since I had that time they're the five

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things that I've tried to practice every single thing every

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single day um just I know that.

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You do as well um you know, we're lifelong learners, right?

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Yes. And so, you know, things like number one, daily celebration.

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If we can't celebrate our wins, what have we got

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in life? And also, a life worth living is a

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life worth documenting, right? And I'm so inspired by your

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books and the way you document. So I know that

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you practice that too. And I think that's something we

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learn from each other as music teachers, isn't it? And

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the second thing is move your body daily. If you

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don't move, you can't move that lift. You can't get well.

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So it's about moving to grow and to replenish ourselves.

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Third thing was to prioritise. And this was really hard

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for me because I was not a sleeper. But to

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prioritise good sleep has been a massive win for me.

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And please, everyone, make sure. that, you know, you get

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good bedding so you can sleep properly. It's been a

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huge development in my life and it's worth every dollar

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spent on it. Far more money spent on that for

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me than any sleep, than anything else. And that's saying

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something because I spend a lot of money on books

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and reading and learning from others.

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The other thing is practicing mindfulness. I mean, if we

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can't be present with this moment to understand the beauty

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of this in all of imperfection, right? Yes. All of

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us in perfection. What else can we do?

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That's so cute.

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hand in hand with that for me as well. And

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the fifth thing is dedicating that time for personal learning.

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You say it all the time, Lisa. You say, I'm

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a lifelong student, and I think As teachers, that's a

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mission for us, isn't it? We are role models. Whether

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we like to do so or not, we are role models.

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And if we don't practice that ourselves, how can we

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pass that on to us?

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So, you know, there's some of the things that I've

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learned out of that younger Janice story. And I think

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they're very powerful.

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Yes. I agree. I agree. You know, there's so much

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about you and there's so much that you give.

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Again, I have so many questions, so I'm trying to

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ask them in order. Okay, so start off. For those

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of our audience that are listening to us, they cannot

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see us. There are those that can see us.

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Yes.

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And on the bottom of our scroll on our view,

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we have funmusiccompany.com that is scrolling. And I would love

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for you to share a little bit about the development

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of the becoming of that.

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Where we are with that today because you just I

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just you give so much it's like I sometimes I

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feel like oh my gosh I missed it I missed

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that part or I.

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Missed this part and it's yeah yeah and this is

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how the world comes to us isn't it it's so

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fast and so many things yes and I was in

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that spring of my life like I talked to you

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about before and um there was one time that I

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started in this school with a brand-new program. And, you know,

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about the only thing I had in common with this

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job was the fact that I had a degree.

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There was nothing else. I didn't know what my point

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was going to be. And I met the previous teacher

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who was transferring to this other department and she said

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to me, Janice, it's okay. You know, you've got this.

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I'm leaving you with my whole filing cabinet.

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My filing cabinet, right?

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Filing cabinet full of resources and I know that she

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was a great teacher and she had this and she'd

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been doing this for years but you know to tell

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you the truth I opened that filing cabinet and I

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looked through all of those documents and I had no

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you're talking about overwhelm oh my goodness I had three

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levels of overwhelm sitting there I had no idea where

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to start and I didn't even know what any of

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it meant and she had it down and so I

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had to go home that night And even though I

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was starting the job, I was starting from scratch.

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to understand one idea, let alone a lesson plan.

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And so, you know, I thought, well, if I'm feeling

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like this and, you know, I was, especially when I

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was added on to that 160-page document on top, I

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just thought, well, if I'm feeling like this, maybe other

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people are as well. And so that was the moment,

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even though it was 20 years before the start of

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the Fun Music Company, it was the moment that the

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vision really was created because I said to myself, what

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if we could do this at the touch of a button?

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What if we could? Because I was in the outback

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of South Australia and it was three hours to my

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closest library where I could sit and plan a lesson

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outside of school. And I thought, I can't do it

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every day. So the Fun Music Company materials really are

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researched and they're sequenced, they're planned, and they're planned over

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that entire curriculum. So over the years, you know, I

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went through that stage for 20 years after that. I

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really did become that treasure hunter. Yes. I was like

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everyone else and we were looking for that idea and

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this idea. But what I've worked out is that an

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idea is a dime a dozen. Anyone, we can all

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come up with ideas. We can all do that. What

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makes a difference is the progression because our students go

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from A to Z, don't they? And the journey is

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never straight.

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You know, there's cliffs and there's sharks and there's challenge

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after challenge after challenge. And what I say to everyone

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I ever talk to is the challenges never go away.

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They just change.

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They change. Absolutely.

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They change with the season, don't they? They do.

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They do. And you had what you have on your website,

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the Fun Music Company, and please correct me, you focus

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what I saw. I briefly looked again today and I

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saw the focus on elementary, like K through 12. I

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forgot how sixth grade or I don't know how high,

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but yes.

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High to six. Yes. Yeah. I, you know, I don't,

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for all.

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The years that I've played, the more elementary you can

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continue to teach me, the easier it is to learn.

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So it doesn't matter what, what level any musician is

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at or any teachers at, because you have so much

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to share. Can you tell us a little bit about

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what you do offer as far as focusing on the

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elementary level?

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Absolutely. Well, I mean, I think the thing I offer

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most is that I think I can reach the, because

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I've been, I started high school and moved my way down.

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I think what I would like for people to take

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is that you don't have to have all the skills

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in place to be able to teach something really successfully.

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You don't have to be the expert in every area.

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I mean, we all develop our expertise and our things,

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our inspirations, but You know, you don't have to have

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all the skills to teach everything. You can't in music.

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It's so much. So, you know, so that's why, especially

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in the levels of K and building up, we do

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a little bit of support with video because I was

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that teacher in that classroom with the filing cabinet without

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that support and I needed a few cues. as a specialist,

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I was told that I was a specialist, but I

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didn't feel like one at that time. And, uh, and

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what we found over the years is that it's not

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just beginner teachers that need these sorts of materials. It's

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actually better teachers who have been doing it for a long,

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long time. That really surprised us. You never lose surprise

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in life, do you?

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No, no, we don't.

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So the video is there to support and, um, if

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you're not confident in what the lesson's about, you just

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quickly overview yourself and then you can do it in

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your own words or you can use it to support

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you in the classroom. You know, many teachers say that

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they can't talk that day or they haven't got time

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to overview, so they show it in the classroom. It's

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just there to support and guide and, you know, we're

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here to pull each other up, not bring each other down.

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That's just one of those supports we can offer.

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It's so true and, you know, you say... You know,

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at some point we think we're supposed to know it all.

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And I think for me personally, as a teacher, and

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I've been, I mean, I've been teaching since high school,

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but music specifically for over 20 years, I realized because

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I've gotten involved in other music groups here in my community,

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I realized no matter what degree somebody has, we can

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never stop learning.

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And we like you said, we kind of help each other,

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inspire each other. And I think it was a breaking

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point for me to really say, oh, well, you know,

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if I don't have my master's degree like so and so,

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then I'm not good enough. But that's not true because

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we all bring something so special and so unique to

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the table. And then that's how we learn from each

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other and grow as as teachers to our students. Yes, yes.

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And that's really what it's about is just sharing. We

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can get caught up in so many different things in

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schools and there's so much going on that people don't

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have a chance to just share together. And that's what

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this is really all about. It's just me wanting to

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give back. And this is my way of doing it.

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I perhaps don't give back in the way that most

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people do, but That's just my way. It's beautiful.

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It's a beautiful way.

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I love that we can all share together and be

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a kinder world. I think education is the key to

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a kinder world. So I have to believe that. I

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live that, you know, and I know you do too.

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For those that are listening and not watching, could you

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please share with us maybe in spelling for those maybe

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that are, again, not listening, seeing us what website would

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they go to to connect with you and to learn

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more about what you.

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Offer are you asking me lisa sorry.

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Yes yes could you share with us for the listeners

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that are not watching us they cannot see the scroll

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on our screen.

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Oh that's so lovely lisa well i think probably one

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of the things that i share as much as i

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can is little insights um that people can listen to

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on the way to work so it's no hassle and

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that's our weekly spark and um I think that teaching,

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you know, you've.

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Got to stay in the game. How do we tune

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into that though, Jane?

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It's just the Weekly Spark podcast and it's just 10

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minutes of time where people can hear some insights about

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their day ahead. It's to give you that, you know,

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a spark. It's before the flame ignites. Yes. And if

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we can just provide each other with that little spark,

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sometimes there can be a deeper flame within.

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Absolutely, and it's not hard to find. It's funmusicco.com. Right,

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so it's not for those listeners. Funmusicco.com, yes, not hard

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to find at all. And you're on Facebook. Are you

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on LinkedIn as well?

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Yes, we do try our best. I mean, we're not

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huge here. So we do our best to keep up

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with everything. But I just feel that if people, they

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can Google us, they can– listen to the podcast and

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um we've got a mailing list uh as well that

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people can join and that way we can talk about

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ideas every single week.

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Yes and I love what you mentioned like an idea

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like um you know we I don't know if it's

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in our upbringing in our generation but the the fact

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that Everyone has an idea. And in my heart of hearts,

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I've always gone about my teaching that everybody matters.

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Absolutely.

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And every idea is not lost, but it's almost as

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if there's so many out there that are afraid to share.

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And so if I can make a shout out to

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everybody out there, like share, be open and share your

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ideas because whether they're accepted or not, you want to

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be heard because we all have a voice.

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And I totally understand it because sharing is scary. Yes.

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Sharing a part of yourself that we live in a

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world of judgment right now. Absolutely. It's so easy to

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judge and it's so hard to look at something and

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be insightful about something. It's so easy to do that.

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And so, you know, That's part of why it's so important.

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Yes, it's true.

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Make a valuable connection that way. I mean, I didn't

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think this was important, you know. I'll talk to you

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a little bit about curriculum first and then. Perhaps come

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back to this other story.

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Yes, and then I have a piggyback off of that.

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I have a comment off of that too.

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Yeah. But, you know, at the end of the time

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that we spend with our students, I know that they're

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going to end up at that dinner table. Yes. They're

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going to have to have that conversation about something musical

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at some point in their life. And wouldn't it be

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nice if they could come up with something insightful and

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we could create a new normal about music what music is. And,

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you know, I used to put this on the back

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burner and not think it was important, but these days

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I think it's really, really important.

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Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And it takes away from the cell

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phone and the, and the computer and the games and the,

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the conversation is so important to even, even for us

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as adults, you know, it's just, it's, I much rather

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call you and have a conversation and send you a text.

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I'm so grateful for that, Lisa. And, and, You know,

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I think we live in this world, the number one

482
00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:14.440
thing that we can teach any of our students, any

483
00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:17.819
teacher anywhere in the world could teach any student is

484
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.289
this power of focus.

485
00:28:19.660 --> 00:28:19.940
Yes.

486
00:28:20.289 --> 00:28:25.029
This power of focus is so, so important to know

487
00:28:25.130 --> 00:28:27.609
when to switch something off and when to switch something on.

488
00:28:27.630 --> 00:28:29.089
So true.

489
00:28:29.250 --> 00:28:32.190
When something is a tool and when something is overwhelming,

490
00:28:32.289 --> 00:28:34.960
to know the differences is huge, isn't it?

491
00:28:35.470 --> 00:28:38.990
It is huge and and just stepping out of our

492
00:28:39.150 --> 00:28:43.559
own box is scary but and yes the judging.

493
00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:43.880
And the.

494
00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:50.880
Um yeah it's yeah it's all an unfolding of ourselves

495
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:52.759
and it's almost as if we have to get out

496
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:53.680
of our own way to.

497
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.640
You yeah i always this takes me back to my

498
00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:01.119
first years of teaching high school and i always go

499
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.440
back to these days but i'm sure you've had these

500
00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:07.069
as well lisa and And, you know, one thing I

501
00:29:07.109 --> 00:29:10.250
was thrown into was those upper grades straight away. And

502
00:29:11.289 --> 00:29:15.599
those upper grade high school certificates, you know, they really

503
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:19.680
do have those absolutely in-depth curriculum requirements.

504
00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:20.359
Yes.

505
00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:22.420
And I think if there's anything that anyone should do

506
00:29:22.460 --> 00:29:25.809
in their life from any walk of life is, you know,

507
00:29:26.029 --> 00:29:28.380
go and teach high school for it. A year or two.

508
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.539
Yes, it's transforming.

509
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.099
Because you get to see it firsthand. And in music,

510
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.950
we've got so much, haven't we? We've got the music theory,

511
00:29:35.029 --> 00:29:37.809
we've got the oral, we've got the practical, the whole thing.

512
00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:41.009
And I remember the day that I was handed... this

513
00:29:41.029 --> 00:29:45.450
160-page document that I said before and showing these students

514
00:29:45.819 --> 00:29:47.599
what they had to be assessed on. And, you know,

515
00:29:47.619 --> 00:29:50.480
you're talking about overwhelm. Well, that was just overwhelming.

516
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.259
Anxiety, yes, anxiety at its best. Yeah.

517
00:29:54.619 --> 00:29:57.119
And this is just one year level that I was taking,

518
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.680
one year. And I had five, six year levels and

519
00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:04.640
I had all of them to worry about. So nowadays

520
00:30:04.660 --> 00:30:08.220
there's a curriculum for absolutely everything. So it's even more

521
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.140
overwhelming and the focus is even harder because there's so

522
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.500
much interaction. So all grades in the States here in

523
00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:19.640
Australia and we have a national curriculum and then we

524
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.269
have all of our states have different curricula. And for

525
00:30:23.589 --> 00:30:26.109
you in the U.S. as well, you have a different

526
00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:27.630
standards and requirements as well.

527
00:30:28.150 --> 00:30:28.809
Absolutely.

528
00:30:29.029 --> 00:30:32.400
And it's just mind-boggling so much to get your head around.

529
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:35.630
And I used to think maybe I was crazy because...

530
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.859
I couldn't handle it all even back then when it

531
00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:40.829
wasn't even a big thing. But I have since realized

532
00:30:40.849 --> 00:30:43.329
it's actually impossible for any teacher to do this. It's

533
00:30:43.390 --> 00:30:45.849
actually impossible. I have a whole team behind me now.

534
00:30:45.869 --> 00:30:51.170
And I'm still working every day to do this. And

535
00:30:51.210 --> 00:30:53.849
I came to the conclusion that, yeah, it's impossible for

536
00:30:53.910 --> 00:30:55.329
any teacher to get their head around that.

537
00:30:56.029 --> 00:30:58.869
I had this conversation, not to go too deep, but

538
00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:02.430
I don't know. most people out there maybe do, I

539
00:31:02.470 --> 00:31:04.329
don't know, but I have a coach. I think it's

540
00:31:04.369 --> 00:31:05.250
important to have a coach.

541
00:31:05.329 --> 00:31:08.769
Beautiful. Yes. I think everyone should have a coach. We

542
00:31:08.809 --> 00:31:10.769
have this conversation too. Yes.

543
00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:13.250
And that's just, you know, it's a period of time

544
00:31:13.309 --> 00:31:16.390
where I've signed myself up for this. And I said

545
00:31:16.430 --> 00:31:18.730
the other day, I said, you know what? It doesn't

546
00:31:18.769 --> 00:31:21.529
matter who we are in this world. No matter what

547
00:31:21.569 --> 00:31:25.099
position we hold, none of us know what we're doing.

548
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.759
We're given a title or we sign up for a

549
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.940
title and we're, we're like, okay, here you go. How

550
00:31:30.980 --> 00:31:34.019
do you do it? And we show up to do

551
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:37.150
our best and to do what we think is, is

552
00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:43.049
appropriate and inspiring. And it's in humor that I say,

553
00:31:43.390 --> 00:31:46.769
you know, and no disrespect to government, but like everybody's

554
00:31:46.809 --> 00:31:50.130
given a title and just, okay, do what you know best.

555
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.500
It's almost, it's almost comical.

556
00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:55.059
It's sink or swim, right?

557
00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:55.880
Yeah.

558
00:31:56.019 --> 00:31:56.140
Yeah.

559
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.920
And, um, And what needs to happen is what I

560
00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:01.700
came to the conclusion is that we need to work

561
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.980
from something that can make a start in covering it.

562
00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:09.839
And so what I learnt along the way is that, well,

563
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.369
not just us as teachers need to understand it, how

564
00:32:12.380 --> 00:32:15.190
about the students as well? They need to understand it.

565
00:32:15.589 --> 00:32:18.470
And so what I found is that everything in just

566
00:32:18.529 --> 00:32:20.809
about every curricula in the world, it can come down

567
00:32:20.849 --> 00:32:23.269
to four things. And we gave them four simple names

568
00:32:23.309 --> 00:32:26.750
so that even as children we could understand where we

569
00:32:26.990 --> 00:32:29.509
are and why we're doing this for. And it's so

570
00:32:29.549 --> 00:32:33.910
inferred that they never have to ask again, Miss, what

571
00:32:33.950 --> 00:32:38.569
are we doing this for? And those four are skills,

572
00:32:38.849 --> 00:32:42.430
which covers the listening skills. It covers the writing skills.

573
00:32:42.509 --> 00:32:45.990
It covers, you know, when someone plays you something fantastic

574
00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:48.740
and you think, oh, my goodness, what could that be? Yes.

575
00:32:50.069 --> 00:32:53.789
And just ignite that flame. It's just seeing that light

576
00:32:53.809 --> 00:32:56.200
glow moment come on. they are the skills and the

577
00:32:56.289 --> 00:32:58.210
games of our music life, right?

578
00:32:58.470 --> 00:32:59.170
True, yes.

579
00:32:59.230 --> 00:33:02.809
So we always use skills as part of our curriculum.

580
00:33:02.849 --> 00:33:05.829
And then the main part of any curriculum, of course,

581
00:33:06.069 --> 00:33:09.490
is sing and play. Now, without sing and play, you know,

582
00:33:09.549 --> 00:33:12.390
what are we doing music for? If we can't learn to,

583
00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:15.630
I had this mentor once, she came across me, she said, Janice,

584
00:33:16.190 --> 00:33:20.549
it's like when we learn to sing, we learn to

585
00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:23.890
do the actions to it. We can learn to then sing.

586
00:33:24.369 --> 00:33:27.549
play it and then we can go ahead and like

587
00:33:27.849 --> 00:33:31.109
oh my goodness you're fantastic creations Lisa you go and

588
00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:34.509
create and that's the normal process of life is a

589
00:33:34.569 --> 00:33:37.960
natural life learning curve so true oh my goodness that

590
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.599
is so true I wish it didn't take me 20

591
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.799
years to learn that but.

592
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.140
But you know as we say the teacher.

593
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.349
Emerges right yes at the right time Yes. So they're

594
00:33:48.390 --> 00:33:51.890
sing and play. And it's not just an idea out

595
00:33:51.910 --> 00:33:55.990
of the blue or my way of doing something or

596
00:33:56.390 --> 00:33:59.109
such and such's way of doing something. It's just a

597
00:33:59.269 --> 00:34:03.170
foundation that we can work from. So like in music,

598
00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:06.059
we get to stand on these shoulders of giants, don't we?

599
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.130
Yes, we do.

600
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:12.559
Because there are so many fantastic pedagogies out there. There's

601
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:13.519
so many.

602
00:34:13.940 --> 00:34:14.420
There are.

603
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.960
Why can't we take the best bits for the right songs?

604
00:34:17.469 --> 00:34:21.239
And use that to make an even better cake, right? Yes.

605
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.619
So we're building a recipe here and we found that

606
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.000
it comes down to some simple steps that we can take.

607
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:31.219
Not always simple, but they can be thought simply because

608
00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:33.989
if they're not simple to kids, guess what? The kids

609
00:34:34.010 --> 00:34:35.550
don't do them, do they? No, they don't.

610
00:34:35.570 --> 00:34:37.170
If they're not successful from the start.

611
00:34:37.210 --> 00:34:39.309
They're not going to get it. So, you know, we've

612
00:34:39.329 --> 00:34:42.710
got this real element. Because this focus is so important

613
00:34:42.730 --> 00:34:45.170
in this world today, to be able to, say it

614
00:34:45.210 --> 00:34:47.630
in two or three minutes and then to be able

615
00:34:47.650 --> 00:34:50.250
to bring them in and engage them and hook them, right?

616
00:34:50.409 --> 00:34:53.469
Because it's all about the hook, right? Yes, all the

617
00:34:53.510 --> 00:34:54.219
time it feels like.

618
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.300
But then we need the content to back it up,

619
00:34:56.699 --> 00:34:59.119
the content to back it up. And not just the

620
00:34:59.179 --> 00:35:02.380
content but that amazing progression that we get in music.

621
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.639
We don't get it anywhere else.

622
00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:04.260
No.

623
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.440
We get it in music, that scaffolding that we build

624
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:07.139
up for life.

625
00:35:07.579 --> 00:35:08.340
It's so true.

626
00:35:08.659 --> 00:35:11.800
That's amazing. And it's not, you know, I always say

627
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.659
music should be the first lesson of the day because

628
00:35:13.699 --> 00:35:16.079
it prepares them for all the other learning, right? Yes.

629
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.199
And that's what it does. It makes for the day.

630
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.760
That would be nice. That's a great idea to start

631
00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:25.650
off your day with music because then I would think

632
00:35:25.670 --> 00:35:26.949
you start on a happy note.

633
00:35:27.610 --> 00:35:32.030
Absolutely. I mean, music is the biggest state changer we

634
00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:35.449
have in the world. I mean, I spoke to principals

635
00:35:35.530 --> 00:35:38.710
over the years and teachers they say, you know, you're

636
00:35:38.730 --> 00:35:41.789
a music teacher. Why, you know, we should, you know,

637
00:35:42.250 --> 00:35:43.730
why don't you start every lesson with music?

638
00:35:45.269 --> 00:35:45.869
And, of course.

639
00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:47.289
It's a great segue.

640
00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:52.849
Yeah, absolutely. And, of course, we must be just singing, dancing, playing,

641
00:35:53.030 --> 00:35:56.659
anything for music. And so that's where sing and play

642
00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:00.780
becomes so important. We've got the third pillar, which is

643
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.780
this composed pillar, because what we can play, we can create.

644
00:36:04.219 --> 00:36:04.539
Yes.

645
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.880
We can create that. And it's not easy. And I

646
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.019
come through it a different way. You know, I wasn't

647
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.699
a composer and this came up and turned up in

648
00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:19.119
the curriculum and I'm going, I'm not Taylor Swift. I

649
00:36:19.179 --> 00:36:22.449
can't write and perform to millions of people here. But

650
00:36:24.170 --> 00:36:27.389
what I can do, and I learned this through my

651
00:36:27.429 --> 00:36:33.099
daughter years after. We went to an art school and

652
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.960
there were some beautiful teachers there And we went to

653
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.159
this art school and they sat the children down and

654
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.159
they said, now, children, this is what we're going to do.

655
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.099
And it was so gentle and quiet. It was so beautiful.

656
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:49.179
And they sat down and they said, this is an

657
00:36:49.489 --> 00:36:52.309
idea we have today and this is what we're going

658
00:36:52.349 --> 00:36:54.949
to create. And they sat down and they stenciled it

659
00:36:55.030 --> 00:36:58.449
out themselves and they showed them the guidance. Because we

660
00:36:58.530 --> 00:37:00.789
don't have a lot of guidance in life these days

661
00:37:00.889 --> 00:37:04.070
and sometimes it's just guiding step by step.

662
00:37:04.090 --> 00:37:04.719
Right.

663
00:37:05.139 --> 00:37:09.699
These children came out with amazing creation and they use

664
00:37:09.739 --> 00:37:12.380
that as inspiration. And I thought, my goodness, what if

665
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:16.550
we could come across music composing in the same way

666
00:37:16.590 --> 00:37:18.690
so we could break down? Because what we found is

667
00:37:18.710 --> 00:37:22.190
that most teachers, even though it's in the curriculum, most teachers,

668
00:37:22.269 --> 00:37:24.030
and I know this sounds foreign to you, Lisa, because

669
00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:27.489
you're such a wonderful instant composer. Oh, you're so kind.

670
00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:29.409
But most people won't.

671
00:37:29.429 --> 00:37:33.579
Touch it because even the word will make us cringe. Yeah.

672
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.099
And I was one of those people. And so we thought, well,

673
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.960
why don't we come from a different perspective and treat

674
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:39.699
it like an art lesson?

675
00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:45.420
Yes, treat it more like something tangible, something that can

676
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.420
be almost like Play-Doh, something that can be not managed,

677
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.809
but something that can, you know, there's different notes.

678
00:37:55.750 --> 00:37:56.110
Absolutely.

679
00:37:56.130 --> 00:37:58.550
Like how do they sound? Like how can we, I

680
00:37:58.610 --> 00:38:01.500
usually tell my students, Think of it as a palette

681
00:38:01.539 --> 00:38:02.199
of colors.

682
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.420
And I'm going to give you a paper. Beautiful. I

683
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:05.659
love it. Yes.

684
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.780
And so, like, the colors behind you of your folders, like,

685
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:13.159
take those colors and see, blend them. Like, I teach

686
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.639
the music theory from the book, the textbook. But then

687
00:38:16.699 --> 00:38:19.159
I say I also want you to, when you practice,

688
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.139
close your book and play with sounds. How do those

689
00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:27.670
sounds sound together? There's a saying that there's, you know,

690
00:38:27.750 --> 00:38:32.380
no two notes are wrong. However, I share with my students,

691
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.599
you know, if you have two best friends, would you

692
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.400
invite them to go have tea together or are they

693
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.000
both different? And so you might not want to join

694
00:38:43.059 --> 00:38:45.360
all three, you know, all of you together. You might

695
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.400
want to separately get together because there's a little bit

696
00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:51.619
of a clash or dissonance.

697
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.440
That's exactly. That's so lovely, Lisa, and so many lovely

698
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.059
analogies you've got there. So beautiful. And that's what composition

699
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:00.139
is all about, right?

700
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:00.449
Yes.

701
00:39:00.889 --> 00:39:03.230
And you know what I love about composition? I've actually

702
00:39:03.250 --> 00:39:05.650
found through the years, I thought that making a composition

703
00:39:05.690 --> 00:39:08.489
was like a project that you go from beginning to end.

704
00:39:09.010 --> 00:39:12.170
But what I've found is that it's actually brilliant for

705
00:39:12.230 --> 00:39:14.420
teaching this thing that we have in most curricula called

706
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.579
the elements of music. Yes. Now, the thing with the

707
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.980
elements of music is like how long is a piece

708
00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:24.909
of string? how many schools have we all been to?

709
00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:27.900
And we said, what are the elements of the music, children?

710
00:39:27.949 --> 00:39:30.710
What other parts of music? And they can say things

711
00:39:30.809 --> 00:39:34.699
from beat to rhythm to this and that and time

712
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.280
and metre and, oh, my goodness, the list goes on.

713
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.260
And even Google can't get it right, right?

714
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:39.920
No.

715
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:41.500
It's so true.

716
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:42.599
So true.

717
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:43.320
So true.

718
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.300
And here it is sitting in our curriculum.

719
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.800
I love it.

720
00:39:48.190 --> 00:39:50.710
What I found is beautiful about it is that we

721
00:39:50.750 --> 00:39:54.639
can take all of those elements of music and in compose,

722
00:39:55.099 --> 00:39:57.880
we can disassemble them and we can go, okay, let's

723
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.099
do a composed study today about tempo. Let's do a

724
00:40:02.139 --> 00:40:06.039
composed study today about pitch. Let's do a composed study

725
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:10.090
today about rhythm. And, you know, to capture it in K,

726
00:40:10.170 --> 00:40:13.739
for example, I mean... You can't say, let's talk about

727
00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:16.519
rhythm today, kids. Making it like a specific. These kids

728
00:40:16.949 --> 00:40:20.329
haven't even seen school yet, right? So we talk about

729
00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:24.030
something they might know. You know, what do they know

730
00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:28.389
in K? They like dinosaurs. They like cats. They like dogs.

731
00:40:28.429 --> 00:40:32.070
They like cars. Something they can do.

732
00:40:32.110 --> 00:40:34.110
You know, all those things as they get older. So

733
00:40:34.300 --> 00:40:37.440
we have to connect with the known. And that's what

734
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.860
I love about composers. It's so inspirational. And you just

735
00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:41.139
do that naturally. Look at you.

736
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.500
Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

737
00:40:44.900 --> 00:40:48.880
And this is a learned process for most children. Technology.

738
00:40:49.059 --> 00:40:52.179
Oh, there we go. It's good for life too because

739
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.239
in all areas of our life. And I want to

740
00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:58.969
detour a little bit, Janice. We have a few minutes left.

741
00:40:59.530 --> 00:41:02.789
And I listened to one of your podcasts, your Spark.

742
00:41:03.269 --> 00:41:05.670
Oh, yes, yes. Spark podcast.

743
00:41:06.730 --> 00:41:12.110
And I was so enjoying this. you focus on one

744
00:41:12.170 --> 00:41:15.760
of our icons that we've lost recently, Miss Dolly Parton.

745
00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:16.550
Absolutely.

746
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.099
And please share with us. I love the story about

747
00:41:20.139 --> 00:41:23.440
the bees and the honey, because that just goes across

748
00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:27.219
the board, whether you're a musician or you're just dealing

749
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.940
with how to show up in life.

750
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.860
That's right. Because as music teachers, I mean, we are

751
00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:35.429
professional beekeepers, aren't we? Yes. Beekeepers.

752
00:41:35.530 --> 00:41:36.329
Absolutely.

753
00:41:36.349 --> 00:41:39.590
I mean, we've got, the concept at the end of

754
00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:42.090
the year that we have to think about all the.

755
00:41:42.050 --> 00:41:45.250
Logistics, the rises, the students.

756
00:41:44.949 --> 00:41:47.829
On those rises, you know, when they're going to come in,

757
00:41:47.889 --> 00:41:50.030
what they're going to say, how we're going to do this,

758
00:41:50.090 --> 00:41:50.909
what we're going to do.

759
00:41:51.489 --> 00:41:52.070
So true.

760
00:41:52.489 --> 00:41:55.760
I think something that Dolly really taught me, especially when

761
00:41:55.780 --> 00:41:59.739
she passed and it circulated so much, is that we

762
00:41:59.780 --> 00:42:02.539
focus so much on the bees in life. Let's focus

763
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.599
more on the honey. Let's focus more on the honey.

764
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.809
Let's take that moment to go, look up from that

765
00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:11.730
clipboard and go, I think she's so profound, isn't she?

766
00:42:11.869 --> 00:42:14.900
Like to look up from that clipboard and go, wow,

767
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.619
that girl or boy could not say a word in

768
00:42:19.659 --> 00:42:21.699
my class at the beginning of the year and look

769
00:42:21.860 --> 00:42:25.599
at them now. They are shining up there like a star.

770
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:25.699
Yes.

771
00:42:27.269 --> 00:42:29.650
And I've seen that so many times. And I think

772
00:42:29.789 --> 00:42:33.489
in music we see those lightbulb ones, those parents that

773
00:42:33.530 --> 00:42:36.730
come running up to you, crying their eyes out, going,

774
00:42:36.750 --> 00:42:39.170
I just didn't think that was possible.

775
00:42:39.190 --> 00:42:39.739
Yeah.

776
00:42:39.909 --> 00:42:42.179
That my child could sing like that.

777
00:42:43.179 --> 00:42:45.519
That's the honey. Absolutely.

778
00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:46.219
Don't you think?

779
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:46.309
Yes.

780
00:42:46.659 --> 00:42:50.579
That's the honey. And it's not natural for us to program.

781
00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:53.599
As music teachers, we are a fight and flight, right?

782
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.820
Everything is a list. Everything is a to-do list. Everything

783
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.579
is this demand from this one, this demand, this parent

784
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.659
behind us here, this recording we have to do here.

785
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:08.840
Everything comes at you so fast. But I think as

786
00:43:08.900 --> 00:43:13.659
we get more experienced and in life, the ability to

787
00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:16.230
focus on the honey has never been more important. And

788
00:43:16.250 --> 00:43:18.150
I think Dolly gave us such a wonderful message on

789
00:43:18.190 --> 00:43:21.230
her passing with things like that. She has so many

790
00:43:21.269 --> 00:43:25.090
profound messages and she's such an inspirational woman. And it's

791
00:43:25.110 --> 00:43:30.289
so lovely to... the inspiration of women yes she was.

792
00:43:29.409 --> 00:43:34.530
Definitely um she was true heart and she she i

793
00:43:34.570 --> 00:43:38.199
don't know her personally um but she definitely left a

794
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.380
legacy unforgettable and they're they'll nobody can follow in her

795
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:48.619
footsteps you know she's irreplaceable what she left for us

796
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.300
i mean she loves us i don't know your age

797
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.909
but i know you know in my lifetime she's she's

798
00:43:54.429 --> 00:43:59.090
left a lifetime of memories watching her grow and perform.

799
00:44:00.349 --> 00:44:02.030
But we have just a couple.

800
00:44:02.449 --> 00:44:04.429
I'm sorry. And I think the other thing is she

801
00:44:04.510 --> 00:44:06.909
was her. She was herself.

802
00:44:07.269 --> 00:44:11.030
She was herself. Yes. Authenticity says a lot.

803
00:44:11.250 --> 00:44:17.010
Absolutely. And it didn't matter what other people thought of that.

804
00:44:17.230 --> 00:44:19.730
She was unapologetically her.

805
00:44:20.289 --> 00:44:22.360
Yes. I would love that for everyone.

806
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.320
Other person that I meet and I think that's something

807
00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:27.360
she passed on so beautifully.

808
00:44:27.820 --> 00:44:28.460
Absolutely.

809
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:29.360
Thank you.

810
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.219
We have just a couple of minutes left. Do you

811
00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:33.880
have anything?

812
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.590
I have one more thing with the fourth pillar because

813
00:44:36.630 --> 00:44:39.349
the fourth pillar is something that I used to leave, right,

814
00:44:39.869 --> 00:44:43.389
of every curriculum and I used to leave it and

815
00:44:43.570 --> 00:44:46.590
I lent out to this before and I know we

816
00:44:46.610 --> 00:44:48.510
need to wrap up so I'll be really, really quick but,

817
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:51.530
you know, I'll just leave you this last one. thought

818
00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:54.389
okay but I was out clothes shopping one day and

819
00:44:54.429 --> 00:44:55.690
then out of the blue this lady came up to

820
00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:58.309
me said Janice and I'm going whoa this is I

821
00:44:58.329 --> 00:45:00.570
mean do you know how we come from this small

822
00:45:00.590 --> 00:45:03.920
town compared to where you guys come from.

823
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.780
You know uh just a just a small town it's.

824
00:45:06.460 --> 00:45:08.400
Almost like a big country town and she was visiting

825
00:45:08.420 --> 00:45:10.880
from another state and uh she said to me something

826
00:45:10.900 --> 00:45:14.530
that I'll never forget um she said you know the

827
00:45:14.570 --> 00:45:17.570
fourth pillar of connecting if there's something we can do

828
00:45:17.610 --> 00:45:20.449
Janice she said Something we can do that's so important

829
00:45:20.489 --> 00:45:23.949
in our students is that these days children aren't just

830
00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:27.840
listening to a variety of music. We've got this whole

831
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.960
generation of Spotify kids on top of it. That means

832
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.840
that there's an algorithm of Spotify is just feeding them

833
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:36.199
more and more of the same sort of content. So

834
00:45:36.219 --> 00:45:39.460
they're not getting that variety of music anymore and they've

835
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.179
never had jazz music or blues music or world music

836
00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:48.110
of any kind. Yes. They've never developed. I was speaking

837
00:45:48.150 --> 00:45:51.469
to another teacher yesterday and she said, yes, she said,

838
00:45:51.889 --> 00:45:56.409
there's one thing that my students have appreciated more is

839
00:45:56.969 --> 00:45:58.769
the development practice of deep listening.

840
00:45:58.929 --> 00:46:02.750
Deep listening. I love that. We are just out of time.

841
00:46:02.769 --> 00:46:08.590
And I'm so glad that you share that because it's

842
00:46:08.730 --> 00:46:11.889
something we need to really pay attention to. Janice, thank

843
00:46:11.909 --> 00:46:14.010
you so much for being on our show today. Oh,

844
00:46:14.010 --> 00:46:15.409
thank you.

845
00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:17.570
It's such a pleasure to be here. You're such a

846
00:46:17.690 --> 00:46:21.139
lovely presenter. So thank you so much, Lisa.

847
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.639
Thank you. And I look forward to staying in touch.

848
00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:28.780
Yes, absolutely. It would be wonderful. Thank you so much

849
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:29.519
for having me here.

850
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.619
Yes, you as well, Janice. Thank you so much. And

851
00:46:32.659 --> 00:46:35.579
for my audiences out there, thank you again for tuning in.

852
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.599
Tune in next week to find out who my musical

853
00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:44.059
guest is. and to continue to help me keep music alive.

854
00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:11.570
You you