July 13, 2026

The Sound of Gold with guest Heidi Aderman

The Sound of Gold with guest Heidi Aderman
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Season 2

Tune in today to meet Heidi Aderman. Heidi is a huge advocate for Music Legacy International. She is also a very supportive music coach that believes in musicians performing without burning out. She shares great insight and influence on keeping a healthy, joyful mindset.

The Sound of Gold is broadcast live Mondays at 4PM ET / 1PM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). The Sound of Gold TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).

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Hi, welcome to my show, The Sound of Goals. I'm

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excited that you're here and wherever you are right now.

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Presently we are live streaming on Monday, and if you

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are tuning in today, welcome. If you are listening in

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on a different day, welcome as well. If you've been here,

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you know if you are new.

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My show focuses on music, music advocacy, music teachers, music schools,

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music venues, musicians, music.

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Composers, and anything music related. It's so important as we're

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moving forward to continue to live out our passion as

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a musician. We want to be out there, we want

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to be playing, we want to earn an income from

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playing as well, and we want there's a lot of

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wants that we have and ultimately the passion for playing

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comes from the space within and before we even get

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started with the show, it is a Monday afternoon, and

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I want to welcome you to sit back and relax,

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no matter what kind of day you've had. I'm so

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glad that you're here, that you're joining me today and

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every week, I'm so excited to do this because I

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have connected with so many wonderful people, and I have

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so many wonderful guests, and every week it's someone so special,

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and today I'm excited to welcome here, miss Heidi Aderman. Heidi,

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please come out and join me because you and I

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have connected before and I love what you do.

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Well, thank you so much for having me on your show. Lisa.

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I'm so glad we got a chance to connect in

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social media lands and that brought us together here eventually.

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It did, it did, And I love social media for

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this instance, not instance, but this collaboration because social media,

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for some of us, there's that we love it or

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we don't, but there's so many networking opportunities. And Heidi,

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you reached out to me. You found me on LinkedIn,

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and I've met so many wonderful people on LinkedIn, especially

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business wise, and connections that have just created a snowball

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of opportunities and you, for one, You've introduced me to

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Music Legacy International, You've introduced me to your coaching program.

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You've You're such an amazing inspiration. And I really want

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to focus today and for all the musicians, everyone that's listening,

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whether you're playing music or not, you're still a human

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being and no matter where we go, what we do,

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we get to listen to music, we get to hear music,

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we get to feel music, we get to play music.

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And Heidi, you juggle so much and I'm kind of

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riding around the root Cause challenge, but share it with

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us a little bit more about the different things that

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you do and that you offer.

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Sure, you know, I heard you talking at the beginning

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about living our passion and not only being able to

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do that, but getting a sustainable income from that. Like

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it all has to come together because we are all

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humans and we have certain needs that are required to

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be met just for our survival. When sometimes when you

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get caught in the hustle of everything and you're busy, busy, busy,

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you can easily get lost in all of it and

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lose yourself and lose perspective of who you really are

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and even why are you even playing music? And sometimes

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that can totally lead to you know, just burnout or

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giving up or oh, I don't know, just a bunch

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of negative, negative emotions, and sometimes that even purts your

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relationships and definitely your well being.

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That's true, you know, I was thinking about after posting

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this morning on social media for us for the show today,

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I was really thinking about what I posted, and I

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requoted what you had said, and I've joined some of

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the groups that you have for the root cause I

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think a few times because I normally teach on Tuesday,

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so I get to watch the replay, so I don't

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get to be their live. But I was really thinking

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about what I posted, and as a musician, as a teacher,

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as a performer or radio show hosts, I personally get

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so busy in the doing and the going and looking

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at like, Okay, the purpose for me doing this is,

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you know, there's a goal in mind and that's my target.

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And I get so busy in the now and get

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so busy on looking at the goal and the target

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that I forget to enjoy the here and now and

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and there's so much more in that where you focus

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so much more on the inner being and what limits

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us can you share. I don't want to go off

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off track if you were going somewhere different with this,

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but but I'd like to get back to if not

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kind of focusing more on those limitations we create for

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ourselves because we have this goal in mind or we

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want to do something or be somewhere and we're not,

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and you know, we get stuck.

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Yeah, that's a lot, it is. But I can tell

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my own personal story, you know. I remember being twenty

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seven years old and sitting in my recliner and looking

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at my to do list of everything that I wanted

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to do to promote the band, and I mean I

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was just figuring it all out and pretty much on

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my own. The only thing I was going off of

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was I did social media stuff for my full time

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job as part of my duty. So I was kind

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of like, all right, well, I'm starting to figure stuff

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out from that experience. But I was pretty much just

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throwing things at the wall and seeing if it would stick.

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And I didn't really have like a strategy at all.

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And I feel like a lot of you could probably

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relate out there. It's like, oh, well so and so

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told me I should do this, and I should do that,

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and I should do this, And so then I was

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taking all of those shoots you're talking about, some of

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those posts and music like the International. That's what I

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did a post on today was I'm doing word clues.

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Should is a word clue. If you are here yourself,

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say the word should, stop and figure out who told

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you you should? Was it somebody else? Like where did

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you come up with this should concept for whatever it

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is that you're shoulting about at the moment. And one

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of the biggest lessons that I learned along the way,

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and I learned it from working with a coach, somebody

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that could give me perspective that I didn't have in

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the current space that I was in, and I needed

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that to get back into motion. Sure. And so this

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thing is also just so absolutely simple that for a

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long time I fought it, but just tapping into my

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imagination for a couple minutes a day and remembering, like

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tapping into that inner child before like the world expectations

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and you know, whether or not this was good or

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all the judgments got in the way. What was music

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like for me? Then? What brought me joy in creating

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music and being around music? And so it's tapping into

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those moments and having clarity about what I value and

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what kind of things I want to experience in my life.

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And it still took a bit of practice to realize.

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I still practice it because I get caught up in

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the shoulds and the how is it going to get done?

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And as long as I'm thinking that way, I'm kind

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of stuck in survival mode. And I might see some

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easy solutions that are short term, and I also will

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dismiss like solutions that are easy because we have to

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work hard, you know, to get things in life, so

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it's more important. And see that's the cool part. A

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lot of us all experience this. We just don't talk

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about it all the time.

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We don't and we should we should.

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Say how tricky that word is, but you know what,

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it's okay to say should if you're like, no, this

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fits and is in alignment with what I value, and

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this particular action that I'm saying I should do does

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look like it lines up with getting me to the

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place of where I want to go. And just staying

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clear on that will help narrow your target and it

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makes everything so much easier. So getting back to talking

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about the root cause challenge instead of focusing on the

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marketing strategies and finding our right audience and I don't

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have a website yet and all of the other like

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things that come with being an independent artist. We're going

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to start with you and what this is that you're creating?

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Yeah, he do. I want to interrupt you for a minute.

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Oh I thought, but what brought you? I love? I

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love who you are, I love what you represent. I

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love what you're offering and the support, the coaching, it's

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so needed. But I want to rewind a little bit.

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And I should have asked us from the very beginning,

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share with with our audience. And we know each other

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a little bit, but I don't even or maybe I

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do know this, but don't remember. Share with me again

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and the audience. What drew you into supporting musicians? What

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is it? That's what it? What is your passion for

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focusing on the music world.

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Well, in third grade, I wanted to be a rock star,

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and that's what I declared and that's what I stuck on,

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and my parents were very supportive. They My dad was

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a pastor, so I got all the solos I wanted

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in church, and I sang in all the choirs, and

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I was in all the plays and summer school stuff

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and all the things that I could possibly do that

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had to do with performing and music. And then college

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and the real world happened and kind of sucked the

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whole like life out of me. I was doing some

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like stuff with the college learning how like concert events

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were set up and you know what you had to

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do to bring a band and actually plan like a

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big event like that. So I wasn't completely out of

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music while I was doing college stuff. But then the

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real world hit and I'm trying to figure out how

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to work full time job do something with music. And oh,

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by the way, since the music industry was like too hard,

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a rock star was too hard by urgings of my parents,

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my real job choosing was to go into radio, so

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I did communications and broadcasting and worked on the top

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forty radio station for our country radio station for a while.

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My favorite of all the radio stations so was definitely

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the campus station because I could pick from a wall

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of CDs and I just had to follow this little

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genre wheel at the right time during the hour and

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pick from the right bookcase. But I discovered so much

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cool music from that experience. Son WW Stevens point. Yeah. Yeah,

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so that was a very cool experience. But once I

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got out in the real world and I'm working retail

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and I'm doing radio, like, I realized radio for me

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wasn't necessarily what I was looking for because it was

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a lot of advertising sales, and I am not a salesperson.

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I don't not identify as a salesperson. I did not

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like sales, so I started doing karaoke o fun and

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then and then from karaoke like, I ended up hooking

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up with an old friend from college and he's like,

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you should come check out my new band. I didn't

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know that they were looking for a vocalist before the

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audition or before it was over. I didn't realize it

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was going to be on an audition, but before it

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was over, I got a chance to kind of stand

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up and sing, and it was for a metal bands,

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which I didn't I don't know if I could sing

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for a metal band, but I sure did like my

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nineties alternative and some of the harder rock bands, so

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I thought I could give it a try, and they

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asked me to come back the next week. So that's

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how it all started for me playing in a band

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and after that, the fire was lit. I mean, no

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matter what, there was no stopping me. I was going

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to be writing music. I was going to be performing

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music and collaborating with other people is like my favorite.

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I just love it, love it, love it. But you

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know what I was missing back then is the resources

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that I'm trying to connect people to now as a

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music prosperity guide. And so I put together my music,

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my flow of music prosperity system, and so that sets

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entrepreneurs that I've talked to have missed this step of

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getting really clear on what you want to do and

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even making a business plan and things like this. So

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a safe way to go, right, But lawyers, they are

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so logical, and trying to talk to them from my

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creative perspectives. I thought like that would be a benefit,

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you know, like I bring the creativity you don't have.

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error to figure out that I needed to take the

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knowledge that I had learned and bring that back to

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the music industry because it's it's that the root cause stuff,

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the stuff that's going on inside of you, you know,

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the bad habits that you have and the good habits.

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showed up for a gig. Like this stuff comes with you,

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and this stuff you picked up along the way. I

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the music industry is hard. So all I did was

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look for the hard ways to do things and easy

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just dismiss that it's too easy. We can't try.

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don't know if you know, years ago.

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I'll speak for myself and you just said it like

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we take our stuff with us and we don't realize

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how our own being and belief system effects what we're

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like in the zone of this is how I operate

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and that's just how it goes. But we forget we

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can change that. We can. We have the secret buttons

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to either just either let it go or like aspect,

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is this really true? Is this really working for us?

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I did not watch. I don't think I watched last month.

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It's once a month that you have the Root Cause?

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a month? Now for our listeners out there that aren't

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able to see us because of the scrol we have

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the scroll underneath us for listeners out there. How can

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people tune into the Root Cause as close as tomorrow

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or watch even older versions of this?

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Yeah, So you can register for the event at Hideeselin

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r c C dash events And by the way, Hideselin

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is the nickname that my dad used to call me

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when I was younger, and my friends call me hides

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for shorts. So so that's where hideselin Coaching came from.

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Okay, I like it. I like it a lot. And Heidi,

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because I missed last month and I didn't get to

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watch the replay. I've just been juggling so much. But

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I will, I will, and you can count on my

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word because I'm going for it. Can you share I

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don't know how much you want to share, but can

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you share with our audience today and whatever day they're

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listening to this a little bit more as to what

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path you're in? That path but where you've been focusing.

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And we talked a little bit about should but there

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was another topic last month and then the month before that.

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And I don't know about you, but when I do

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things to inspire other people, I'm inspired to because it's

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almost like we're each other's teachers, Like, what can you

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share with us about what you've learned over the past

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few months since you've started this, What can you share

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with us that we can grow on. Well, there's a

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lot of questions there again.

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Sorry. So I did a survey before I started doing

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these monthly events and I'm like, Okay, you know what,

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what's the thing that's holding you back the most in

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your music career? And money was the answer that came

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up as number one. I'm not making enough money one.

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And so I am a certified Positive Intelligence coach, which

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is this amazing process that bigger companies use for their

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sales teams and things like this. But I love it

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because it has an app It's got some cute little

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characters so that you can identify them to certain character

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traits that maybe you thought was just the way you

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actually just are, Like I was born this way, but

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then you find out that no, all humans kind of

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have this little voice that thinks in a certain particular way.

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And you know what, that little voice is one of

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your biggest strengths. But what happens when all of a

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sudden life gets crazy and you go into survival mode? Well, Lisa,

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what would you do if you absolutely needed to survive?

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What would you use.

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As far as survival? I mean we need money to.

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I just said it, but thank your hints, Yes, you

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would use your greatest strength and so you end up

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over using it. And so that's what we're talking about

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each month from a different perspective. Of these positive intelligent saboteurs.

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There's ten of them. And then there is this really awesome, small,

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easy operating system that you can learn and I tell

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you more about how it works in the event. And

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if you're like, Okay, so this sounds like something I

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would like to actually practice and see if I could

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get the same results that Heidie's talking about with improved performance,

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well being and relationships, then you can book an appointment

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with me or take the eight week challenge and tomorrow,

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so this is a sneak peek for everybody because I'm

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announcing it tomorrow at tomorrow's events. I created like a

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course online space that now has all the replays. So, oh,

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this is our fifth event so far. So all four

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events are in the same place. You don't have to

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track them down in your email. And you know what,

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my emails are long enough with the questions for contemplation

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if you're going through the replay, So those contemplation questions

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are going to be there, but then there's an extra

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little mini challenge that you can take, and so that's

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going to be a monthly subscription to access the new material,

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and you can check it out for the first thirty

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days for free. So that's the reason you want to

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come to the event tomorrow because you'll be getting that

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link with the deal sent and also the time not attend.

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It starts at seven o'clock and we do networking from

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seven pm Eastern Time until seven thirty, and then at

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seven point thirty we start and we're going to be

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talking about the pleaser tomorrow and we're going to be

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doing an exercise called if I had a million dollars

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ooh fine, Yes, it's very interesting that this question is

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not as easy to answer as everybody thinks it is,

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but it is a really fun exercise. So we're going

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to we're going to work on that, and if you

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cannot attend tomorrow, yes, interested sign up anyway because the replay,

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like Lisa was talking about, you'll get a copy of

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that that I will also include the link, so if

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you don't want to keep hunting through your emails, you

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can subscribe and then get all the extras with it.

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As well.

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Okay, I'll have to I think I did get an email.

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And for the audience out there, do they go right

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to your your name, your website, your Facebook, your your

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coaching group, or did they go to Music Legacy International?

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What is the easiest way?

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Well, first of all, I would say, if you have

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not found Music Legacy International, look them up right now, yes,

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and get your free account. And I agree you can.

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You can find me in the Root Cause Challenge group,

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so that he has all kinds of groups in there,

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and if you're interested, you could start your own group too.

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So there's all kinds of opportunities in Music Legacy International.

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So that's one way that you can get connected to.

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Basically the link that's scrolling at the bottom there to

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sign up, and I posted about it on my socials,

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so you can go there to sign up well, and

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you get the zimblink and you only have to register once.

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You'll be on my email list. I'll keep sending you

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the reminders and if you're like, oh my goodness, I

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wish this lady would stop emailing, you can just unsubscribe

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and you know, then we're done. But you only have

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to sign up once, so that you don't have to

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keep remembering every month to get the reminders.

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That's great, Okay, that's easy enough, easy enough now, Hidi.

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I absolutely love what you're doing. And I mentioned that earlier.

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You help so many people, and you really help us

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kind of like look at ourselves without shame, Like how

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do you when you have a group? And I said,

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I've been on the call, but haven't been on I've

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watched the replays mostly what is your format? The saboteurs,

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there's ten of them? Can you list them? And then

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I want to kind of man, you.

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Are so testing me right now, I'm going to forget

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one of them. Let's see what we start out with

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the judge. Everybody has the judge. The judge is saying,

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it's wrong with me, what's wrong with you? And what's

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wrong with this situation? Right now? Really, huh, that's so true.

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Now the other nine saboteurs people have two different degrees.

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So one thing, when you come to the root cause challenges,

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I'm going to give you a link so that you

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can take an assessment and you can get familiar with

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the other nine saboteurs and what questions they're asking you.

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What beliefs can for example, something that a lot of

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people can relate to is perfectionism. Right. I used to

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go around like I am a perfectionist. I'm so proud

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of that, Like all of my work is perfect, I'm

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sure of it. And looking back, I kind of learned

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that from watching my mom as I was growing up,

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did was always great and people were always praising her,

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and so I wanted to be like that, and I

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was convinced this is the greatest thing. But again, strength

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taken too far. What happens when a project absolutely needs

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to be perfect, but you're not quite sure how you're

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going to get it. There for a procrastination baby. So

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I would just this goes back to the story I

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was telling earlier. I was sitting in my recliner looking

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at my to do list and going, why am I

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not doing any of this? Well, it was because I

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was judging the situation, and then my stickler, saboteur was

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ganging up on me with the judge. So it would

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be like, oh no, no, we have to have perfect

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environment to get started on this. Oh no, no, no,

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we got do. We have to have the perfect vision

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for what this is going to be before we can

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even put anything down on paper, you know, So then

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I'm not doing anything and then the judge's like, why

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aren't you doing anything? Huh, You're lazy. You're lazy, aren't you. Yeah?

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I could see you being lazy on the recliner, just

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sitting there staring at the paper, not doing anything to

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get up and do something. And then how do you

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feel when someone yells at you like that, Lisa?

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Yeah, you feel like like tomorrow, I don't know if

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tomralize is the right way. You feel even smaller, like

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oh you're not I'm not good enough to do it,

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and like you don't want to do it.

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Yes, I'm not good enough. Who am I to be

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doing this music stuff right now? Like this is ridiculous,

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Like I'm just I'm just a lazy retail manager, Like

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that's all I am, and that is all all. That

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was just lies, lies that I didn't realize that I

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was believing. But I kept telling myself the story over

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and over and over again. So that led to me

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doing nothing or procrastinating until it was the last minute.

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And then of course it can't be perfect because like

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I only had so much time to do it, so

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now we have excuses for why it's not perfect. So

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now like that'sh it just keeps going like down further

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and further and further. And I struggled with how do

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you get out of that? How do you not keep

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going down the downward spiral which leads to absolutely nothing

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getting done at all. And that's where I really fell

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in love with the Operating System for Positive Intelligence because

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it's it's just three steps, and it's based on psychology

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and science and all of the stuff that I was studying,

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00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.160
and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so much

468
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.119
like how could I possibly break it down for someone

469
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.480
that's so busy and has so many distractions? But again,

470
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.799
it just has to be a very like simple solution

471
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.559
to get past it. It doesn't have to be all complicated.

472
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.279
It doesn't have to be hard. No, it can be.

473
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.880
Yeah, it can be easier. I agree. And I remember

474
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.559
one of the calls, or maybe a a replay that

475
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.799
I watched. There was one where somebody posted, oh, well,

476
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.319
you know, I'm going to practice. So I'm going to

477
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.480
set up, but I'm going to have dinner first and

478
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.079
then I'll practice. And then a phone call came in

479
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.279
and now, oh and now it's too late to practice.

480
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.839
So it's like we make up all these excuses and

481
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:45.559
are limiting reasons or to procrastinate. And it's almost like

482
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.400
like I think not only music world, but across the board.

483
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.519
I think so many ways we do that to ourselves

484
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.519
in every day over something and that like oh, yeah,

485
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.440
I'll do it later, or or you know, why not

486
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.079
just get it done now? And yeah, I don't know

487
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.519
that it's very intertwined. I'm just like skimming the surface.

488
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.680
But you you know this stuff better than me. But yeah,

489
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.680
I mean we are both our biggest fan and our

490
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.960
biggest critic. So it's almost like, you know, we have

491
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.839
the Joker and we have the King Queen, so it's

492
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.359
like who's gonna who's going to rule today? Is it

493
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.920
the is it the castle or is it the Joker

494
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.920
sitting outside, you know, being like all right, yeah, let's

495
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.319
see if you follow through. You know, it's like this

496
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.519
good dog. I'm using analogies a lot today, good dog,

497
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.640
bad dog. You know, it's that are you going to

498
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.480
do it? Aren't you going to do it? It's almost

499
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:46.039
like we challenge ourselves constantly to the point where it's exhausting.

500
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.839
Yeah, And I'm glad to use the word exhausting because

501
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.640
I think that's how a lot of people are feeling.

502
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.720
I know that's how I was feeling when I was

503
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:02.200
trying just to get like everything up going. And what's

504
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:06.759
beautiful is if you just sit back and get clear

505
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.960
on what you want to create and why, you can

506
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.559
communicate that better so you can find people to help

507
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:22.039
you that also want the same things. Yes, And that

508
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.639
was such like an AHA moment to me when I

509
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.000
finally figured that out on my own. I was just like, oh,

510
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.360
you know, like a lot of my troubles that I

511
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.119
have with trying to put together music groups and stuff

512
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.960
was because I just didn't ask good questions at the

513
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.719
beginning when I was trying to put my groups together.

514
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.639
So one of the things that I get to do

515
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.800
that's kind of fun is I get to break up bands.

516
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.559
You're so funny, but it has always ended up to

517
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.840
be amazing. I mean, some of you maybe you can

518
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.000
out there. You know you're in a band and there's

519
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.119
one person in the group that is just like the

520
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.360
ball and chain. You know, they're always canceling on rehearsals,

521
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.280
they're late for stuff, they don't know their parts, like

522
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.320
on and on and on right, and it's like, come on,

523
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.119
can't wait us all be like responsible adults? Do I

524
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.840
really have to talk to you about this? And it

525
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.320
become comfortable to kind of have these conversations once you've

526
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.039
gotten so far in And so that's where I come in,

527
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:37.679
where it's like, Okay, so we're here with Heidi. She's

528
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.000
like a business consultant for the music industry, and she's

529
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.559
going to talk to us about our goals and where

530
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.559
we're headed. And one of my favorite favorite times doing this,

531
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.239
I just went around the room and I'm finding out

532
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.800
what their day jobs are, trying to figure out what

533
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.800
other skills they have besides being good at their instruments,

534
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.679
and more about like their personalities. And so where the

535
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.360
band wanted to go was going to be a high visibility,

536
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.760
having to do lots of social media posts, interviews they

537
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.960
were going to go on tour. And as I'm going

538
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.960
around one of the members, I asked him what he

539
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.119
likes to do, and he's like, I like to go

540
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.239
hunting and fishing and camping and hang out in the woods.

541
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.639
And I'm kind of introverted. I was like, Okay, but

542
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.360
I'm like, how do you feel about doing all this

543
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.519
social media content? And he's like, well, you know, I

544
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.519
know it's good for the band, so you know I could,

545
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.079
I could step up and be helpful with doing more

546
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.960
videos with the band, and I'm like, okay, cool. And

547
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:48.440
after this meeting, it was pretty awesome because he did

548
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.519
make some effort and tried to do some videos on

549
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.119
his own to promote the band. So that was kind

550
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:58.199
of like more than I even expected from that particular

551
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.920
band member. But then what happened is it quit the band?

552
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.280
Oh no, But I come to find out later that

553
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.719
once he kind of did the social media thing, and

554
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.119
once he realized that this band was turning into a

555
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.280
like a business, it was being run more like a business.

556
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.960
Now this is not a hobby band. This is we're

557
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.239
going to do something with this and bring in money band.

558
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:31.280
And he realized through our conversation that this particular project

559
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.679
was not at all in alignment with what he was

560
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.079
comfortable with. It was so far outside of his comfort

561
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.800
zone that he either had a lot more growing to

562
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.360
do to be able to step up and do the

563
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.440
things that were required for that band to reach their goals,

564
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.239
or you should just stay in a hobby band kind

565
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.960
of situation, and so without any band member is having

566
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:58.639
to you know, have hard feelings or there be a

567
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.000
big band blow out or anything like that. They were

568
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.960
also able to from that discussion lay out what their

569
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.880
goals are and what would be required of the members

570
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:14.480
to join, so right up front those expectations were were

571
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.679
set for the new members. And this band actually had

572
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:23.119
to replace two members after our after our appointment, but

573
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:27.360
they found the right ones. And here's another thing. Oh

574
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.719
it's gonna take too long to find a replacement. This

575
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.519
is also a line of myth. Just if it's not

576
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:37.559
the right fit, just cut it and move on. Identify

577
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.519
what the right fit is, and if you're clear on it,

578
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.480
the how will show up, your person will show up.

579
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.760
It's crazy how it works. It's true, Heidi.

580
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.599
You, your skill, your attitude, your professionalism is so needed.

581
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.079
You know, I'm listening to you, but I'm also like,

582
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.119
in the back of my head, I'm thinking like all

583
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.239
these different things as a musician, myself and musicians that

584
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.920
are listening. And you know this too, because you've been

585
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:09.360
a performer. You know, we we perform out of a passion.

586
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.199
It's almost like our souls just like come alive and

587
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.800
we get to express who we are and that vulnerable

588
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.920
from that vulnerable space. And so you take vulnerability and

589
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.280
then you put us on a platform where we're supposed

590
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:29.960
to be vulnerable yet superficial, and then we're supposed to

591
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.079
also business. Yeah, run it like a business, because you know,

592
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.119
we want to pay the rent or we want to eat,

593
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.639
you know. So as a musician, as a performer, as

594
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.760
whether you're in a band or solo artist, there's so much,

595
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.599
so many like tentacles that are attached to being out there.

596
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.440
It's not just like you get a job at the

597
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.199
grocery store and you have had groceries and no disrespect

598
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.000
to anybody, because grocery people out there, we need you,

599
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.840
We need you to help us, we need you to

600
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.159
pack our groceries. But it's in some ways it's very

601
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.119
simple to have jobs when you're working for somebody else

602
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:14.440
and just go show up, do the job. But as

603
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:18.199
a musician, it's from morning tonight, even when you sleep,

604
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:23.320
you're constantly like creating. And that's the beauty. We're born

605
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.039
this way, that's the beauty of being an artist. We're

606
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.559
born to create. But it's more than just you know,

607
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.840
it's more than just showing up. It's the strategy. It's

608
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.719
you know, the saboteurs, the how do we show up?

609
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.360
How do we work with all these different identities within

610
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.280
ourselves and then have to project being real. But at

611
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.239
the same time, there's you know, even the greatest celebrities

612
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.000
out there know that you have to kind of put

613
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.480
on a face sometimes when on some days you really

614
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.079
don't want to. I don't want to overtalk. I mean,

615
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.800
you have so much more to say on this, but

616
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.599
it's just so relatable and everybody out there. I mean,

617
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.400
I know personal celebrities out there that sometimes they don't

618
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.519
want to show up completely, but they have to because

619
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.719
it's being called on. Can you comment a little bit

620
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.440
more about this, because I don't want to take the

621
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.519
stage away from you.

622
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.639
Yeah, well, you know, the show must go on. That

623
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:24.079
was something I learned from a very early age in performing.

624
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.960
And even though like there are times where you're going

625
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.800
to put in extra hustle or you're going to go

626
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:38.840
above and beyond in that situation, you cannot keep pushing

627
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.960
at that energy level day in and day out, and

628
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.800
day in and day out, and you might be thinking, well,

629
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.199
I don't have time with my busy music slash. I'm

630
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:56.480
also working a full time job schedule, and I don't

631
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.519
know how I could possibly shift all of what I'm

632
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.639
feeling all of this stress. The first thing is really

633
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:11.480
to connect and find a community that understands the weight

634
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:12.400
that you're carrying.

635
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:14.400
Absolutely love that.

636
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:19.039
As an entrepreneur, as an independent artist, when you're working

637
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:23.440
alone all the time, your brain could be over complicating

638
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:28.360
things and you just are telling yourself stories that are

639
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:33.480
way more out there than what reality is. So if

640
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:38.079
you can find other independent artists, Music Legacy International is

641
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.960
a great place to connect with people that you can

642
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.239
talk too about all of these things that we're trying

643
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:50.400
to do. And what is awesome is eventually you're going

644
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.639
to realize that you don't have to do all of

645
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:58.199
this by yourself. And first it comes to I don't

646
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.159
have to carry the mental weight of thinking about how

647
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.920
this is all going to come together by myself. I

648
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.000
can join another group of people that can help me

649
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.079
with this. And then it comes down to, oh, I

650
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.400
have a clear vision, I know what I'm doing. I'm

651
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.280
going to hire some people to help me in certain

652
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.119
areas where that just drains me. I don't want to

653
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.280
do that part. I don't want that part. You do it.

654
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.960
I'll pay you. That's great, and that's gonna get you

655
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:29.079
up to the next level. You know, there's only so

656
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.960
much you alone can do, and you have to realize

657
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.960
that in one twenty four hour period, you're gonna need

658
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.920
to eat, you're gonna need to sleep, You're gonna need

659
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.400
to use the bathroom. Yes, and you're gonna need to

660
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.519
You said it earlier in the episode Joy. Yes, you

661
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.519
need to have joy in your life.

662
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.599
Absolutely. I love it. Heidi. We'd just about out of time,

663
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.320
and I'm sorry to interrupt you. Thank you so much

664
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.000
for making the time today to join me on my show,

665
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.679
and for my audience is out there, whether you're watching

666
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.639
this today, on Monday or another day, Heidi can be

667
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.519
reached Heidi. You're easy to find Heidi Adaman on Facebook

668
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.280
and connect with you there, as well as Music Legacy

669
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:25.920
International and the Root Cause Challenge. Tune in tomorrow night

670
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.519
and find out more about what the focus is on

671
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:36.719
the should or should not and Yeah, and for my

672
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.280
audience out there, tune in next week to find out

673
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.119
who my guest is. I never tell you who it

674
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:45.119
is because every week I have fabulous guests on my

675
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.719
show with fabulous things to say. And yeah, so Heidi,

676
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:55.039
thank you. Have a wonderful day, and I will do

677
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.679
my best to be on tomorrow night. But I teach,

678
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.039
so I can't always be there. But if not, I

679
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.639
will definitely watch the reflight and one last time.

680
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.719
I always love your feedback after you watch the replay,

681
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:06.639
So thank you.

682
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.719
Yes, yes, I will definitely give you some feedback. All right,

683
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.039
thank you, Heidi, Thank you, Lisa.

684
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.639
I appreciate you for doing this show. It's great that

685
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:21.119
you bring some more attention to all of these artists.

686
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:27.039
Yes, we deserve it. We're rising above, we deserve it. Right,

687
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.639
we'll talk soon, Okay, thank you so much. I look

688
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:37.639
forward to being here with you next week. Be safe,

689
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:43.079
enjoy your days, your moments, and find beauty and all

690
00:45:43.119 --> 00:46:07.800
of it.