The Sound of Gold with guest Heidi Aderman

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0:51 Hi, welcome to my show, The Sound of Goals. I'm excited that you're here and wherever you are right now. Presently we are live streaming on Monday, and if you are tuning in today, welcome. If you are listening in on a different day, welcome as well. If you've been here, you know if you are new. My show focuses on music, music advocacy, music teachers, music schools, music venues, musicians, music. Composers, and anything music related. It's so important as we're moving forward to continue to live out our passion as a musician. We want to be out there, we want to be playing, we want to earn an income from playing as well, and we want there's a lot of wants that we have and ultimately the passion for playing comes from the space within and before we even get started with the show, it is a Monday afternoon, and I want to welcome you to sit back and relax, no matter what kind of day you've had. I'm so

3:21 glad that you're here, that you're joining me today and every week, I'm so excited to do this because I have connected with so many wonderful people, and I have so many wonderful guests, and every week it's someone so special, and today I'm excited to welcome here, miss Heidi Aderman. Heidi, please come out and join me because you and I have connected before and I love what you do. Well, thank you so much for having me on your show. Lisa. I'm so glad we got a chance to connect in social media lands and that brought us together here eventually.

4:05 It did, it did, And I love social media for this instance, not instance, but this collaboration because social media, for some of us, there's that we love it or we don't, but there's so many networking opportunities. And Heidi, you reached out to me. You found me on LinkedIn, and I've met so many wonderful people on LinkedIn, especially business wise, and connections that have just created a snowball of opportunities and you, for one, You've introduced me to Music Legacy International, You've introduced me to your coaching program.

4:47 You've You're such an amazing inspiration. And I really want to focus today and for all the musicians, everyone that's listening, whether you're playing music or not, you're still a human being and no matter where we go, what we do, we get to listen to music, we get to hear music, we get to feel music, we get to play music. And Heidi, you juggle so much and I'm kind of riding around the root Cause challenge, but share it with us a little bit more about the different things that you do and that you offer. Sure, you know, I heard you talking at the beginning about living our passion and not only being able to do that, but getting a sustainable income from that. Like it all has to come together because we are all humans and we have certain needs that are required to be met just for our survival. When sometimes when you get caught in the hustle of everything and you're busy, busy, busy, you can easily get lost in all of it and lose yourself and lose perspective of who you really are and even why are you even playing music? And sometimes that can totally lead to you know, just burnout or giving up or oh, I don't know, just a bunch

6:18 of negative, negative emotions, and sometimes that even purts your relationships and definitely your well being. That's true, you know, I was thinking about after posting this morning on social media for us for the show today, I was really thinking about what I posted, and I requoted what you had said, and I've joined some of the groups that you have for the root cause I think a few times because I normally teach on Tuesday, so I get to watch the replay, so I don't get to be their live. But I was really thinking about what I posted, and as a musician, as a teacher, as a performer or radio show hosts, I personally get so busy in the doing and the going and looking at like, Okay, the purpose for me doing this is, you know, there's a goal in mind and that's my target.

7:13 And I get so busy in the now and get so busy on looking at the goal and the target that I forget to enjoy the here and now and and there's so much more in that where you focus so much more on the inner being and what limits us can you share. I don't want to go off off track if you were going somewhere different with this, but but I'd like to get back to if not kind of focusing more on those limitations we create for ourselves because we have this goal in mind or we want to do something or be somewhere and we're not, and you know, we get stuck.

7:57 Yeah, that's a lot, it is. But I can tell my own personal story, you know. I remember being twenty seven years old and sitting in my recliner and looking at my to do list of everything that I wanted to do to promote the band, and I mean I was just figuring it all out and pretty much on my own. The only thing I was going off of was I did social media stuff for my full time job as part of my duty. So I was kind of like, all right, well, I'm starting to figure stuff out from that experience. But I was pretty much just throwing things at the wall and seeing if it would stick.

8:42 And I didn't really have like a strategy at all. And I feel like a lot of you could probably relate out there. It's like, oh, well so and so told me I should do this, and I should do that, and I should do this, And so then I was taking all of those shoots you're talking about, some of those posts and music like the International. That's what I did a post on today was I'm doing word clues. Should is a word clue. If you are here yourself, say the word should, stop and figure out who told you you should? Was it somebody else? Like where did you come up with this should concept for whatever it is that you're shoulting about at the moment. And one of the biggest lessons that I learned along the way, and I learned it from working with a coach, somebody that could give me perspective that I didn't have in the current space that I was in, and I needed that to get back into motion. Sure. And so this thing is also just so absolutely simple that for a long time I fought it, but just tapping into my imagination for a couple minutes a day and remembering, like tapping into that inner child before like the world expectations and you know, whether or not this was good or all the judgments got in the way. What was music like for me? Then? What brought me joy in creating music and being around music? And so it's tapping into

10:16 those moments and having clarity about what I value and what kind of things I want to experience in my life. And it still took a bit of practice to realize. I still practice it because I get caught up in the shoulds and the how is it going to get done? And as long as I'm thinking that way, I'm kind of stuck in survival mode. And I might see some easy solutions that are short term, and I also will dismiss like solutions that are easy because we have to work hard, you know, to get things in life, so it's more important. And see that's the cool part. A lot of us all experience this. We just don't talk about it all the time.

11:07 We don't and we should we should. Say how tricky that word is, but you know what, it's okay to say should if you're like, no, this fits and is in alignment with what I value, and this particular action that I'm saying I should do does look like it lines up with getting me to the place of where I want to go. And just staying clear on that will help narrow your target and it makes everything so much easier. So getting back to talking about the root cause challenge instead of focusing on the marketing strategies and finding our right audience and I don't have a website yet and all of the other like things that come with being an independent artist. We're going to start with you and what this is that you're creating?

12:03 Yeah, he do. I want to interrupt you for a minute. Oh I thought, but what brought you? I love? I love who you are, I love what you represent. I love what you're offering and the support, the coaching, it's so needed. But I want to rewind a little bit. And I should have asked us from the very beginning, share with with our audience. And we know each other a little bit, but I don't even or maybe I do know this, but don't remember. Share with me again and the audience. What drew you into supporting musicians? What is it? That's what it? What is your passion for focusing on the music world. Well, in third grade, I wanted to be a rock star, and that's what I declared and that's what I stuck on, and my parents were very supportive. They My dad was a pastor, so I got all the solos I wanted in church, and I sang in all the choirs, and I was in all the plays and summer school stuff and all the things that I could possibly do that had to do with performing and music. And then college and the real world happened and kind of sucked the whole like life out of me. I was doing some like stuff with the college learning how like concert events were set up and you know what you had to do to bring a band and actually plan like a big event like that. So I wasn't completely out of

13:35 music while I was doing college stuff. But then the real world hit and I'm trying to figure out how to work full time job do something with music. And oh, by the way, since the music industry was like too hard, a rock star was too hard by urgings of my parents, my real job choosing was to go into radio, so I did communications and broadcasting and worked on the top forty radio station for our country radio station for a while. My favorite of all the radio stations so was definitely the campus station because I could pick from a wall of CDs and I just had to follow this little genre wheel at the right time during the hour and pick from the right bookcase. But I discovered so much cool music from that experience. Son WW Stevens point. Yeah. Yeah, so that was a very cool experience. But once I got out in the real world and I'm working retail and I'm doing radio, like, I realized radio for me wasn't necessarily what I was looking for because it was a lot of advertising sales, and I am not a salesperson.

14:53 I don't not identify as a salesperson. I did not like sales, so I started doing karaoke o fun and then and then from karaoke like, I ended up hooking up with an old friend from college and he's like, you should come check out my new band. I didn't know that they were looking for a vocalist before the audition or before it was over. I didn't realize it was going to be on an audition, but before it was over, I got a chance to kind of stand up and sing, and it was for a metal bands, which I didn't I don't know if I could sing for a metal band, but I sure did like my nineties alternative and some of the harder rock bands, so I thought I could give it a try, and they asked me to come back the next week. So that's how it all started for me playing in a band and after that, the fire was lit. I mean, no matter what, there was no stopping me. I was going to be writing music. I was going to be performing music and collaborating with other people is like my favorite.

16:04 I just love it, love it, love it. But you know what I was missing back then is the resources that I'm trying to connect people to now as a music prosperity guide. And so I put together my music, my flow of music prosperity system, and so that sets up your foundation, the foundation I was missing when I tried to do this the first time. And I mean it's not just the music industry. There's pretty much all entrepreneurs that I've talked to have missed this step of getting really clear on what you want to do and even making a business plan and things like this. So I had options to go with other industries, and I tried to have a I have a coach that's a mentor to me, and he coaches lawyers, and so when I first started, I was like, oh, I could coach lawyers.

17:10 Lawyers have plenty of money, so that's like that's like a safe way to go, right, But lawyers, they are so logical, and trying to talk to them from my creative perspectives. I thought like that would be a benefit, you know, like I bring the creativity you don't have. But it was just really training, you know what I mean, Like when you go to your job every day and you're not like really into what you're doing and you're just showing up. Like that's not what I wanted, right, And so it took a little bit of trial and error to figure out that I needed to take the knowledge that I had learned and bring that back to the music industry because it's it's that the root cause stuff, the stuff that's going on inside of you, you know, the bad habits that you have and the good habits.

18:07 Those don't just go away because you went to work today, you know, or you went to the studio or you showed up for a gig. Like this stuff comes with you, and this stuff you picked up along the way. I picked up my stuff along the way from my parents saying, oh, the music industry is hard. So all I did was look for the hard ways to do things and easy just dismiss that it's too easy. We can't try. That's so true, so true, And you know, well, I don't know if you know, years ago. I had a coach for a while and then I stopped and then recently are this over the past few months, I started with the coach again. And you know, we I'll speak for myself and you just said it like we take our stuff with us and we don't realize how our own being and belief system effects what we're doing and effects the people around us because we're so like in the zone of this is how I operate and that's just how it goes. But we forget we can change that. We can. We have the secret buttons to either just either let it go or like aspect, is this really true? Is this really working for us?

19:32 I did not watch. I don't think I watched last month. It's once a month that you have the Root Cause? Or is it once a week, once a month, once a month? Now for our listeners out there that aren't able to see us because of the scrol we have the scroll underneath us for listeners out there. How can people tune into the Root Cause as close as tomorrow or watch even older versions of this? Yeah, So you can register for the event at Hideeselin coaching dot com. Slash r c C Dash events now Hideeselin is spelled h E I d Z like zebra A l y N, So Heideselin coaching dot com slash r c C dash events And by the way, Hideselin is the nickname that my dad used to call me when I was younger, and my friends call me hides for shorts. So so that's where hideselin Coaching came from.

20:45 Okay, I like it. I like it a lot. And Heidi, because I missed last month and I didn't get to watch the replay. I've just been juggling so much. But I will, I will, and you can count on my word because I'm going for it. Can you share I don't know how much you want to share, but can you share with our audience today and whatever day they're listening to this a little bit more as to what path you're in? That path but where you've been focusing. And we talked a little bit about should but there was another topic last month and then the month before that. And I don't know about you, but when I do things to inspire other people, I'm inspired to because it's almost like we're each other's teachers, Like, what can you share with us about what you've learned over the past few months since you've started this, What can you share with us that we can grow on. Well, there's a lot of questions there again.

21:40 Sorry. So I did a survey before I started doing these monthly events and I'm like, Okay, you know what, what's the thing that's holding you back the most in your music career? And money was the answer that came up as number one. I'm not making enough money one. And so I am a certified Positive Intelligence coach, which is this amazing process that bigger companies use for their sales teams and things like this. But I love it because it has an app It's got some cute little characters so that you can identify them to certain character traits that maybe you thought was just the way you actually just are, Like I was born this way, but then you find out that no, all humans kind of have this little voice that thinks in a certain particular way.

22:44 And you know what, that little voice is one of your biggest strengths. But what happens when all of a sudden life gets crazy and you go into survival mode? Well, Lisa, what would you do if you absolutely needed to survive? What would you use. As far as survival? I mean we need money to. I just said it, but thank your hints, Yes, you would use your greatest strength and so you end up over using it. And so that's what we're talking about each month from a different perspective. Of these positive intelligent saboteurs.

23:27 There's ten of them. And then there is this really awesome, small, easy operating system that you can learn and I tell you more about how it works in the event. And if you're like, Okay, so this sounds like something I would like to actually practice and see if I could get the same results that Heidie's talking about with improved performance, well being and relationships, then you can book an appointment with me or take the eight week challenge and tomorrow, so this is a sneak peek for everybody because I'm announcing it tomorrow at tomorrow's events. I created like a course online space that now has all the replays. So, oh, this is our fifth event so far. So all four events are in the same place. You don't have to track them down in your email. And you know what, my emails are long enough with the questions for contemplation if you're going through the replay, So those contemplation questions are going to be there, but then there's an extra little mini challenge that you can take, and so that's going to be a monthly subscription to access the new material, and you can check it out for the first thirty days for free. So that's the reason you want to come to the event tomorrow because you'll be getting that

24:59 link with the deal sent and also the time not attend. It starts at seven o'clock and we do networking from seven pm Eastern Time until seven thirty, and then at seven point thirty we start and we're going to be talking about the pleaser tomorrow and we're going to be doing an exercise called if I had a million dollars ooh fine, Yes, it's very interesting that this question is not as easy to answer as everybody thinks it is, but it is a really fun exercise. So we're going to we're going to work on that, and if you cannot attend tomorrow, yes, interested sign up anyway because the replay, like Lisa was talking about, you'll get a copy of that that I will also include the link, so if you don't want to keep hunting through your emails, you can subscribe and then get all the extras with it.

25:59 As well. Okay, I'll have to I think I did get an email. And for the audience out there, do they go right to your your name, your website, your Facebook, your your coaching group, or did they go to Music Legacy International? What is the easiest way? Well, first of all, I would say, if you have not found Music Legacy International, look them up right now, yes, and get your free account. And I agree you can. You can find me in the Root Cause Challenge group, so that he has all kinds of groups in there, and if you're interested, you could start your own group too.

26:42 So there's all kinds of opportunities in Music Legacy International. So that's one way that you can get connected to. Basically the link that's scrolling at the bottom there to sign up, and I posted about it on my socials, so you can go there to sign up well, and you get the zimblink and you only have to register once. You'll be on my email list. I'll keep sending you the reminders and if you're like, oh my goodness, I wish this lady would stop emailing, you can just unsubscribe and you know, then we're done. But you only have to sign up once, so that you don't have to keep remembering every month to get the reminders.

27:23 That's great, Okay, that's easy enough, easy enough now, Hidi. I absolutely love what you're doing. And I mentioned that earlier. You help so many people, and you really help us kind of like look at ourselves without shame, Like how do you when you have a group? And I said, I've been on the call, but haven't been on I've watched the replays mostly what is your format? The saboteurs, there's ten of them? Can you list them? And then I want to kind of man, you. Are so testing me right now, I'm going to forget one of them. Let's see what we start out with the judge. Everybody has the judge. The judge is saying, it's wrong with me, what's wrong with you? And what's wrong with this situation? Right now? Really, huh, that's so true.

28:19 Now the other nine saboteurs people have two different degrees. So one thing, when you come to the root cause challenges, I'm going to give you a link so that you can take an assessment and you can get familiar with the other nine saboteurs and what questions they're asking you. What beliefs can for example, something that a lot of people can relate to is perfectionism. Right. I used to go around like I am a perfectionist. I'm so proud of that, Like all of my work is perfect, I'm sure of it. And looking back, I kind of learned that from watching my mom as I was growing up, And you know, all of the work that my mom did was always great and people were always praising her, and so I wanted to be like that, and I was convinced this is the greatest thing. But again, strength taken too far. What happens when a project absolutely needs to be perfect, but you're not quite sure how you're going to get it. There for a procrastination baby. So I would just this goes back to the story I was telling earlier. I was sitting in my recliner looking at my to do list and going, why am I not doing any of this? Well, it was because I was judging the situation, and then my stickler, saboteur was

29:53 ganging up on me with the judge. So it would be like, oh no, no, we have to have perfect environment to get started on this. Oh no, no, no, we got do. We have to have the perfect vision for what this is going to be before we can even put anything down on paper, you know, So then I'm not doing anything and then the judge's like, why aren't you doing anything? Huh, You're lazy. You're lazy, aren't you. Yeah? I could see you being lazy on the recliner, just sitting there staring at the paper, not doing anything to get up and do something. And then how do you feel when someone yells at you like that, Lisa? Yeah, you feel like like tomorrow, I don't know if tomralize is the right way. You feel even smaller, like oh you're not I'm not good enough to do it, and like you don't want to do it.

30:40 Yes, I'm not good enough. Who am I to be doing this music stuff right now? Like this is ridiculous, Like I'm just I'm just a lazy retail manager, Like that's all I am, and that is all all. That was just lies, lies that I didn't realize that I was believing. But I kept telling myself the story over and over and over again. So that led to me doing nothing or procrastinating until it was the last minute. And then of course it can't be perfect because like I only had so much time to do it, so now we have excuses for why it's not perfect. So now like that'sh it just keeps going like down further and further and further. And I struggled with how do you get out of that? How do you not keep going down the downward spiral which leads to absolutely nothing getting done at all. And that's where I really fell in love with the Operating System for Positive Intelligence because it's it's just three steps, and it's based on psychology and science and all of the stuff that I was studying, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so much like how could I possibly break it down for someone that's so busy and has so many distractions? But again, it just has to be a very like simple solution to get past it. It doesn't have to be all complicated.

32:08 It doesn't have to be hard. No, it can be. Yeah, it can be easier. I agree. And I remember one of the calls, or maybe a a replay that I watched. There was one where somebody posted, oh, well, you know, I'm going to practice. So I'm going to set up, but I'm going to have dinner first and then I'll practice. And then a phone call came in and now, oh and now it's too late to practice. So it's like we make up all these excuses and are limiting reasons or to procrastinate. And it's almost like like I think not only music world, but across the board.

32:49 I think so many ways we do that to ourselves in every day over something and that like oh, yeah, I'll do it later, or or you know, why not just get it done now? And yeah, I don't know that it's very intertwined. I'm just like skimming the surface. But you you know this stuff better than me. But yeah, I mean we are both our biggest fan and our biggest critic. So it's almost like, you know, we have the Joker and we have the King Queen, so it's like who's gonna who's going to rule today? Is it the is it the castle or is it the Joker sitting outside, you know, being like all right, yeah, let's see if you follow through. You know, it's like this good dog. I'm using analogies a lot today, good dog, bad dog. You know, it's that are you going to do it? Aren't you going to do it? It's almost like we challenge ourselves constantly to the point where it's exhausting.

33:46 Yeah, And I'm glad to use the word exhausting because I think that's how a lot of people are feeling. I know that's how I was feeling when I was trying just to get like everything up going. And what's beautiful is if you just sit back and get clear on what you want to create and why, you can communicate that better so you can find people to help you that also want the same things. Yes, And that was such like an AHA moment to me when I finally figured that out on my own. I was just like, oh, you know, like a lot of my troubles that I have with trying to put together music groups and stuff was because I just didn't ask good questions at the beginning when I was trying to put my groups together.

34:42 So one of the things that I get to do that's kind of fun is I get to break up bands. You're so funny, but it has always ended up to be amazing. I mean, some of you maybe you can out there. You know you're in a band and there's one person in the group that is just like the ball and chain. You know, they're always canceling on rehearsals, they're late for stuff, they don't know their parts, like on and on and on right, and it's like, come on, can't wait us all be like responsible adults? Do I really have to talk to you about this? And it become comfortable to kind of have these conversations once you've gotten so far in And so that's where I come in, where it's like, Okay, so we're here with Heidi. She's like a business consultant for the music industry, and she's going to talk to us about our goals and where we're headed. And one of my favorite favorite times doing this, I just went around the room and I'm finding out what their day jobs are, trying to figure out what other skills they have besides being good at their instruments, and more about like their personalities. And so where the band wanted to go was going to be a high visibility, having to do lots of social media posts, interviews they were going to go on tour. And as I'm going

36:15 around one of the members, I asked him what he likes to do, and he's like, I like to go hunting and fishing and camping and hang out in the woods. And I'm kind of introverted. I was like, Okay, but I'm like, how do you feel about doing all this social media content? And he's like, well, you know, I know it's good for the band, so you know I could, I could step up and be helpful with doing more videos with the band, and I'm like, okay, cool. And after this meeting, it was pretty awesome because he did make some effort and tried to do some videos on his own to promote the band. So that was kind of like more than I even expected from that particular band member. But then what happened is it quit the band?

37:02 Oh no, But I come to find out later that once he kind of did the social media thing, and once he realized that this band was turning into a like a business, it was being run more like a business. Now this is not a hobby band. This is we're going to do something with this and bring in money band. And he realized through our conversation that this particular project was not at all in alignment with what he was comfortable with. It was so far outside of his comfort zone that he either had a lot more growing to do to be able to step up and do the things that were required for that band to reach their goals, or you should just stay in a hobby band kind of situation, and so without any band member is having to you know, have hard feelings or there be a big band blow out or anything like that. They were also able to from that discussion lay out what their goals are and what would be required of the members to join, so right up front those expectations were were set for the new members. And this band actually had to replace two members after our after our appointment, but they found the right ones. And here's another thing. Oh it's gonna take too long to find a replacement. This is also a line of myth. Just if it's not

38:33 the right fit, just cut it and move on. Identify what the right fit is, and if you're clear on it, the how will show up, your person will show up. It's crazy how it works. It's true, Heidi. You, your skill, your attitude, your professionalism is so needed. You know, I'm listening to you, but I'm also like, in the back of my head, I'm thinking like all these different things as a musician, myself and musicians that are listening. And you know this too, because you've been a performer. You know, we we perform out of a passion. It's almost like our souls just like come alive and we get to express who we are and that vulnerable from that vulnerable space. And so you take vulnerability and then you put us on a platform where we're supposed to be vulnerable yet superficial, and then we're supposed to also business. Yeah, run it like a business, because you know, we want to pay the rent or we want to eat, you know. So as a musician, as a performer, as whether you're in a band or solo artist, there's so much, so many like tentacles that are attached to being out there.

39:50 It's not just like you get a job at the grocery store and you have had groceries and no disrespect to anybody, because grocery people out there, we need you, We need you to help us, we need you to pack our groceries. But it's in some ways it's very simple to have jobs when you're working for somebody else and just go show up, do the job. But as a musician, it's from morning tonight, even when you sleep, you're constantly like creating. And that's the beauty. We're born this way, that's the beauty of being an artist. We're born to create. But it's more than just you know, it's more than just showing up. It's the strategy. It's you know, the saboteurs, the how do we show up?

40:37 How do we work with all these different identities within ourselves and then have to project being real. But at the same time, there's you know, even the greatest celebrities out there know that you have to kind of put on a face sometimes when on some days you really don't want to. I don't want to overtalk. I mean, you have so much more to say on this, but it's just so relatable and everybody out there. I mean, I know personal celebrities out there that sometimes they don't want to show up completely, but they have to because it's being called on. Can you comment a little bit more about this, because I don't want to take the stage away from you. Yeah, well, you know, the show must go on. That was something I learned from a very early age in performing.

41:24 And even though like there are times where you're going to put in extra hustle or you're going to go above and beyond in that situation, you cannot keep pushing at that energy level day in and day out, and day in and day out, and you might be thinking, well, I don't have time with my busy music slash. I'm also working a full time job schedule, and I don't know how I could possibly shift all of what I'm feeling all of this stress. The first thing is really to connect and find a community that understands the weight that you're carrying.

42:12 Absolutely love that. As an entrepreneur, as an independent artist, when you're working alone all the time, your brain could be over complicating things and you just are telling yourself stories that are way more out there than what reality is. So if you can find other independent artists, Music Legacy International is a great place to connect with people that you can talk too about all of these things that we're trying to do. And what is awesome is eventually you're going to realize that you don't have to do all of this by yourself. And first it comes to I don't have to carry the mental weight of thinking about how this is all going to come together by myself. I can join another group of people that can help me with this. And then it comes down to, oh, I have a clear vision, I know what I'm doing. I'm going to hire some people to help me in certain areas where that just drains me. I don't want to do that part. I don't want that part. You do it.

43:22 I'll pay you. That's great, and that's gonna get you up to the next level. You know, there's only so much you alone can do, and you have to realize that in one twenty four hour period, you're gonna need to eat, you're gonna need to sleep, You're gonna need to use the bathroom. Yes, and you're gonna need to You said it earlier in the episode Joy. Yes, you need to have joy in your life. Absolutely. I love it. Heidi. We'd just about out of time, and I'm sorry to interrupt you. Thank you so much for making the time today to join me on my show, and for my audience is out there, whether you're watching this today, on Monday or another day, Heidi can be reached Heidi. You're easy to find Heidi Adaman on Facebook and connect with you there, as well as Music Legacy International and the Root Cause Challenge. Tune in tomorrow night and find out more about what the focus is on the should or should not and Yeah, and for my audience out there, tune in next week to find out who my guest is. I never tell you who it is because every week I have fabulous guests on my show with fabulous things to say. And yeah, so Heidi, thank you. Have a wonderful day, and I will do

44:55 my best to be on tomorrow night. But I teach, so I can't always be there. But if not, I will definitely watch the reflight and one last time. I always love your feedback after you watch the replay, So thank you. Yes, yes, I will definitely give you some feedback. All right, thank you, Heidi, Thank you, Lisa. I appreciate you for doing this show. It's great that you bring some more attention to all of these artists. Yes, we deserve it. We're rising above, we deserve it. Right, we'll talk soon, Okay, thank you so much. I look forward to being here with you next week. Be safe, enjoy your days, your moments, and find beauty and all of it.